who do you miss most

BrudLee · 05-12-2004, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

But from the list presented, I think everyone is right on about 2002 Gardener

The 2002 Gardener doesn't exist anymore. He was the right combination of angry, hungry, and desperate. I don't think the planets will align for him again.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 05-12-2004, 07:49 PM

You're right Brudlee, 2002 Gardener isn't coming back, he was old, had questionable judgement and character, and wanted a bundle of dough.

Buty, I don't people are as much upset about Gardener not returning as they are concerned about a lack of real starting quality players on the dline (as the 2002 Gardener was). I love teams that blitz and go after the QB. We don't appear to have the personnel to bring decent heat.

BrudLee · 05-12-2004, 08:01 PM

Agreed Ramseyfan. I think that will change under Gregg Williams. Not only has he made great players out of good ones, but he has been able to draw free agent tealent to his defenses in the past. With agressive and creative blitzing, we'll get the heat we need this year.

SmootSmack · 05-12-2004, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

The 2002 Gardener doesn't exist anymore. He was the right combination of angry, hungry, and desperate. I don't think the planets will align for him again.

Great now you're going to tell me Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny don't exist either. While we're at it I'd like the 1991 offense and the 1983 defense back as well. Well at the very least I'd like this year's team to match those years' stats

mizzo skins man · 05-12-2004, 10:50 PM

Alexander and Centers. I agree with you smootsmack It would sure be nice to have Kalu back.

ShaolinMonk81 · 05-13-2004, 12:00 AM

I miss the following players from that list: Brian Mitchell, Larry Centers, Daryl Gardener (whom I agree with everybody about), Big Daddy, Champ, Marco Coleman, but most of all, Stephen Davis. He ran hard, pumped out solid yardage year after year despite the records and constant changes that plagued the 'Skins throughout his tenure. He never had great speed or power, but he had the valuable intangibles of situational awareness, great vision, strong character, and a good work ethic, which are the things that made Emmitt Smith so great.

Maybe the best release that we did, besides the way we got rid of Deion Sanders, was Michael Westbrook. That guy was a cancer in the clubhouse, was always injured, and was just an all around ass. If he had such great "potential", why didn't he do anything in Cincinnati? Westbrook was just a waste of athletic ability.

Daseal · 05-13-2004, 12:03 AM

Shaolin - In Westbrook's defense... Before last year who ever did anything in Cincinnati =p

jrocx69 · 05-13-2004, 12:13 AM

how could anyone choose anyone over a true redskin in and out. brian mitchell ... i almost hate snyder for that move

Daseal · 05-13-2004, 12:37 AM

Brian Mitchell is the whore of the NFC East. Once each team uses him up, they pass him on. Give me Morton any day. Mitchell was just about out of his prime when we traded him.

SKINSnCANES · 05-13-2004, 02:03 AM

Mitchell was as true of a Redskin as anyone. Its a shame what happened to him. Yea id take Morton now, but Morton now or Mitchell ten years ago... Id have to take Mitchell.

Chad is one of the nicest people ive ever met though.

Summo · 05-13-2004, 09:04 AM

Stephen Davis is one of the elite backs in the league and I think he is the one I miss most, but I would put Brian Mitchell a close second, he got a raw deal. :vomit-smi

JoeRedskin · 05-13-2004, 10:16 AM

I'm with Summo. I almost choose Mitchell as the one I miss most earlier. Mitchell was not a "whore of hte NFL East" by choice. He wanted to be a Redskin for life - he had quality years after he left us - certainly better than whomever it was that originally replaced him (I admit, I have forgotten who that was). Plus, his intangibles are great and would have been even more magnified if he had stayed with the Skins.

Also, as for best cut/who I miss the least - Westbrook. Talked a great game, looked like the archetype for the WR position, but was an all around ass for whom all problems were really someone else's fault. And, while Cincinatti has been the black hole of careers for sometime, Westbrook was literally run out of town (he got the Keyshawn treatment before Keyshawn did). He was a bigger waste of a pick than Shuler or Howard. At least they simply flopped and moved on.

SmootSmack · 05-13-2004, 11:31 AM

Here's a question for you guys. Special teamers aren't generally thought of as first-ballot Hall-of-Famers. However, considering Mitchell holds all sorts of records plus only Jerry Rice and Walter Payton have more total yards than B-Mitch, would you make him a first ballot lock?

Also, could someone refresh my memory here. In Mitchell's last game with the Redskins he returned a kickoff for a touchdown in a playoff game against Tampa right? We should all be able to do that when we're past our prime

cpayne5 · 05-13-2004, 11:36 AM

Considering how Art Monk has been screwed over the past few years, I can see BMitch not being a first ballot lock.

Skins fan 44 · 05-13-2004, 12:32 PM

What no Deion? lol Come on adimit it you were happy to see we got him just like me.

What 4 months ago I would say Steven Davis, but not now that we have Portis.

I would say Brian Mitchell.

05-12-2004, 08:01 PM	#18
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Agreed Ramseyfan. I think that will change under Gregg Williams. Not only has he made great players out of good ones, but he has been able to draw free agent tealent to his defenses in the past. With agressive and creative blitzing, we'll get the heat we need this year. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

05-13-2004, 02:03 AM	#25
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Mitchell was as true of a Redskin as anyone. Its a shame what happened to him. Yea id take Morton now, but Morton now or Mitchell ten years ago... Id have to take Mitchell. Chad is one of the nicest people ive ever met though. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

05-13-2004, 09:04 AM	#26
Summo The Bringer of Digital Bling Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Lindenhurst NY Age: 54 Posts: 892	Stephen Davis is one of the elite backs in the league and I think he is the one I miss most, but I would put Brian Mitchell a close second, he got a raw deal. :vomit-smi __________________ My Website Visit my Socials: Twitter: @summo13 IGram:@summo13art

05-13-2004, 11:31 AM	#28
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Here's a question for you guys. Special teamers aren't generally thought of as first-ballot Hall-of-Famers. However, considering Mitchell holds all sorts of records plus only Jerry Rice and Walter Payton have more total yards than B-Mitch, would you make him a first ballot lock? Also, could someone refresh my memory here. In Mitchell's last game with the Redskins he returned a kickoff for a touchdown in a playoff game against Tampa right? We should all be able to do that when we're past our prime __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

05-13-2004, 12:32 PM	#30
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	What no Deion? lol Come on adimit it you were happy to see we got him just like me. What 4 months ago I would say Steven Davis, but not now that we have Portis. I would say Brian Mitchell. __________________ HTTR!

05-12-2004, 07:49 PM	#17
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	You're right Brudlee, 2002 Gardener isn't coming back, he was old, had questionable judgement and character, and wanted a bundle of dough. Buty, I don't people are as much upset about Gardener not returning as they are concerned about a lack of real starting quality players on the dline (as the 2002 Gardener was). I love teams that blitz and go after the QB. We don't appear to have the personnel to bring decent heat.

05-12-2004, 10:50 PM	#20
mizzo skins man Camp Scrub Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: St. Joseph Missouri Age: 48 Posts: 83	Alexander and Centers. I agree with you smootsmack It would sure be nice to have Kalu back.

05-13-2004, 12:00 AM	#21
ShaolinMonk81 Camp Scrub Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Inwood, WV Posts: 11	I miss the following players from that list: Brian Mitchell, Larry Centers, Daryl Gardener (whom I agree with everybody about), Big Daddy, Champ, Marco Coleman, but most of all, Stephen Davis. He ran hard, pumped out solid yardage year after year despite the records and constant changes that plagued the 'Skins throughout his tenure. He never had great speed or power, but he had the valuable intangibles of situational awareness, great vision, strong character, and a good work ethic, which are the things that made Emmitt Smith so great. Maybe the best release that we did, besides the way we got rid of Deion Sanders, was Michael Westbrook. That guy was a cancer in the clubhouse, was always injured, and was just an all around ass. If he had such great "potential", why didn't he do anything in Cincinnati? Westbrook was just a waste of athletic ability.

05-13-2004, 12:03 AM	#22
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Shaolin - In Westbrook's defense... Before last year who ever did anything in Cincinnati =p

05-13-2004, 12:13 AM	#23
jrocx69 Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Dallas Age: 43 Posts: 461	how could anyone choose anyone over a true redskin in and out. brian mitchell ... i almost hate snyder for that move

05-13-2004, 12:37 AM	#24
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Brian Mitchell is the whore of the NFC East. Once each team uses him up, they pass him on. Give me Morton any day. Mitchell was just about out of his prime when we traded him.

05-13-2004, 10:16 AM	#27
JoeRedskin Contains football related knowledge Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Second Star On The Right Age: 61 Posts: 10,401	I'm with Summo. I almost choose Mitchell as the one I miss most earlier. Mitchell was not a "whore of hte NFL East" by choice. He wanted to be a Redskin for life - he had quality years after he left us - certainly better than whomever it was that originally replaced him (I admit, I have forgotten who that was). Plus, his intangibles are great and would have been even more magnified if he had stayed with the Skins. Also, as for best cut/who I miss the least - Westbrook. Talked a great game, looked like the archetype for the WR position, but was an all around ass for whom all problems were really someone else's fault. And, while Cincinatti has been the black hole of careers for sometime, Westbrook was literally run out of town (he got the Keyshawn treatment before Keyshawn did). He was a bigger waste of a pick than Shuler or Howard. At least they simply flopped and moved on.

05-13-2004, 11:36 AM	#29
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Considering how Art Monk has been screwed over the past few years, I can see BMitch not being a first ballot lock.

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