Gibbs vs. Coughlin

memphisskin · 06-11-2004, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by EEich

I realize that it was Spurrier's fault... but the bottom line is that he thought he could win with a system and not talented players. They didn't have the talent last year. Wuerffel was not a talented player and he would not have helped their cause.

Ramsey had started 6 or 8 games prior to last year... that's still a rookie in my warped world.

Spurrier thought his guys were talented, and most of the Gators just weren't. Maybe his system would have worked, but SS didn't work hard enough to do that. I hated Schottenheimer, but SS made me long for the days of Tony Banks and the "half-field read".

EEich · 06-11-2004, 01:03 PM

I don't think Spurrier thought he had a boatload of talent... but I don't think it mattered to him... he believed in his system and was going to keep at it, win or lose. He was going to use players that knew his system, regardless of their proven ability. I agree that he didn't work hard enough and he didn't make the team work hard enough.
But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.

Dave Butz Baby! · 06-11-2004, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EEich

But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.

These issues are exactly why I can't understand why King thinks that the Giants will come around faster than the Skins. Coughlin may instill a new sense of discipline, but they still don't have anyone to throw the ball down the field, anyone to block for the QB, or a RB that can hang onto the ball.

Discipline is great, but execution scores points. I just don't see the Giants doing a lot of that this year.

EEich · 06-11-2004, 01:21 PM

I could go either way... but I think the difference is that several Giant players admitted "giving up". They won't "give up" for Coughlin.

memphisskin · 06-11-2004, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by EEich

But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.

Point is I think the cupboard is far from bare here in DC, and Gibbs has more to work with than Coughlin and is better equipped to get results. I know we'll be better equipped to compete this year and should be better than the G-men.

EEich · 06-11-2004, 03:32 PM

I would agree that the cupboard is currently not bare.
Gibbs went out and got the talent he needs to be competitive.

memphisskin · 06-11-2004, 06:08 PM

It was mostly already here. O-line, stacked. Wideouts, stacked. Most important is he's bringing some order, something we've lacked since '01.

RedskinRat · 06-11-2004, 06:21 PM

To Dave Butz: From discipline comes execution.

Big C · 06-11-2004, 07:31 PM

Also he brings experienced coaches, which we havent had the last 2 years. That will make a huge difference

Dave Butz Baby! · 06-11-2004, 07:52 PM

RedskinRat, I completely understand that and would expect that to be true, but in time. For King to say that this new discipline that Coughlin is bringing will translate into wins for NY faster than Gibbs will is a pipedream. In time it could, but the premise of the article was to debate about who would produce wins faster.

Even with a new found sense of purpose, I don't think the players the Giants have at the skill positions will be able to translate that to wins in a hurry. I especially don't see it happening quickly since he is bringing in such strong discipline and it'll take him a year or two to get "his" guys. We've already seen evidence of that.

And oh yeah! with heartfelt apologies to the Ramones...

Twenty Twenty Twenty Four Posts to Go,
I'm Gonna Lose My Beanie...

rolavi · 06-11-2004, 08:52 PM

I like Arrington's approach to the team's potential (upgraded coaches/players)...he said something like we are a 5-11 team right now until we prove otherwise...

My goals:

1st step - progress beyond being pathetic
2nd step - win more games then you lose
3rd step - be feared by your opposition and gain some pride
4th step - make the playoffs
5th step - become a threat to run the table

I hope we take a lot of steps this year. However, after what we've been going through, I'll be estatic if we take the 3rd step this year.

No predictions here..just alot of hope I can go to a home game against the Giants/Cowboys this year and feel proud and excited rather than embarrassed by the over abundance of people in blue shitting on us..

06-11-2004, 07:52 PM	#25
Dave Butz Baby! Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Reston, VA Age: 54 Posts: 450	RedskinRat, I completely understand that and would expect that to be true, but in time. For King to say that this new discipline that Coughlin is bringing will translate into wins for NY faster than Gibbs will is a pipedream. In time it could, but the premise of the article was to debate about who would produce wins faster. Even with a new found sense of purpose, I don't think the players the Giants have at the skill positions will be able to translate that to wins in a hurry. I especially don't see it happening quickly since he is bringing in such strong discipline and it'll take him a year or two to get "his" guys. We've already seen evidence of that. And oh yeah! with heartfelt apologies to the Ramones... Twenty Twenty Twenty Four Posts to Go, I'm Gonna Lose My Beanie... __________________ Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.

06-11-2004, 01:03 PM	#17
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	I don't think Spurrier thought he had a boatload of talent... but I don't think it mattered to him... he believed in his system and was going to keep at it, win or lose. He was going to use players that knew his system, regardless of their proven ability. I agree that he didn't work hard enough and he didn't make the team work hard enough. But then again, any system with no pass protection, a lousy RB and a young QB is going to have problems, regardless of how hard they work.

06-11-2004, 01:21 PM	#19
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	I could go either way... but I think the difference is that several Giant players admitted "giving up". They won't "give up" for Coughlin.

06-11-2004, 03:32 PM	#21
EEich The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Bristol, CT Age: 60 Posts: 1,001	I would agree that the cupboard is currently not bare. Gibbs went out and got the talent he needs to be competitive.

06-11-2004, 06:08 PM	#22
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	It was mostly already here. O-line, stacked. Wideouts, stacked. Most important is he's bringing some order, something we've lacked since '01.

06-11-2004, 06:21 PM	#23
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	To Dave Butz: From discipline comes execution.

06-11-2004, 07:31 PM	#24
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Also he brings experienced coaches, which we havent had the last 2 years. That will make a huge difference

06-11-2004, 08:52 PM	#26
rolavi Camp Scrub Join Date: May 2004 Location: Annapolis, MD Posts: 2	I like Arrington's approach to the team's potential (upgraded coaches/players)...he said something like we are a 5-11 team right now until we prove otherwise... My goals: 1st step - progress beyond being pathetic 2nd step - win more games then you lose 3rd step - be feared by your opposition and gain some pride 4th step - make the playoffs 5th step - become a threat to run the table I hope we take a lot of steps this year. However, after what we've been going through, I'll be estatic if we take the 3rd step this year. No predictions here..just alot of hope I can go to a home game against the Giants/Cowboys this year and feel proud and excited rather than embarrassed by the over abundance of people in blue shitting on us..

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