Treasonous....

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by chris36

Hey, I have gone overboard criticizing Joe Gibbs myself, but I have got to tell you, I think you are going overboard with the Patriot thing. All my life I have wondered why the Redskins are not America's favorite. But one thing is for sure they are'nt. They have great fan support, but so do many other teams. I support Mattyk72's view of a fan.

Seriously, have you guys noticed how much people hate the Skins? I don't mean Pasta or Peter King either, I mean just your average NFL fan. I guess the owner and our spending habits are part of it but I mean, come on, it's not like we've won anything for 15 years. I don't understand that.

[Oakland Red]

The way the fans act has a real impact on the psyche of the players. If the fans constantly boo the quarterback, for example, if he is being trammelled in the press, etc., it will make it very difficult to play up to his ability. If the fans want to help the team, harsh criticism is not the way to do it in my view.

If you call fans "treasonous" for all their criticism, then to me it only enflames people and divides the fans and makes people irritated and defensive. So that isn't a good thing to do, nor is it accurate, because we are talking about a football team here for one thing.

"Patience is the only strength a man needs," someone said. I think that Joe Gibbs and the coaching staff looked at the NFL after last season and said, we can't win a Super Bowl unless we upgrade the offense. We have to go with a 21st century, top flight offense strategy if we are going to win.

Yet, we can't change over in one season, because it is too much to assimilate. Furthermore, we need to upgrade our offensive personnel. Yet, if we do that, we won't be able to have the depth we want in other areas.

So I think that the Redskins brain trust said we will shoot for a Super Bowl in 2007, and hope that things come together as fast as possible to have another playoff season in 2006.

We made a mistake in giving up on Walt Harris in my view. Clearly he is tearing it up in San Francisco and we could really have used his presence back there. The Archuleta decision is far from clear in my view, because we also have a lot of people trying to learn a new and complicated defense, including Archuleta, and the injuries back there have been a problem.

Anyway, I believe we are on the right track, and that success is best measured in the long view and whether what we are doing is going to make us better in the long view or whether we are going downhill. Clearly to me we are not going downhill, but just have to have some time to develop. In 2007 I believe we will be a juggernaut. And this season will have some great moments in store yet.

[MTK]

Letting Walt Harris go was a mistake?

Wow, who would have ever thought we would have heard those words?

We practically rode him outta town a year ago. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned there.

[hooskins]

I swear to god, if I hear "Walt Harris" or "Jason Campbell" one more time I am gonna shoot myself.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by hooskins

I swear to god, if I hear "Walt Harris" or "Jason Campbell" one more time I am gonna shoot myself.

walt harris





jason campbell

[onlydarksets]

I think Oakland Red needs a timeout for bringing up Walt Harris. I'm not even going there.

As to the original post, it's a game, dude. An extremely entertaining game that a lot of people (myself included) are passionate about, but still a game.

[skinsguy]

I think it's a little over the top to call pessimistic fans treasonous if they are overally critical over the coach. Daseal is right...it is the coaches' responsiblity to have their players ready to play ball.....but the coaches, even the HOF coaches can only do so much. The players have to also take initative as well.

With that said...calling for Joe Gibbs' head is flat out stupid. Being critical of how he's done so far is understandable. After all, alot of us fans who have had the pleasure of watching the glory years have pumped Gibbs up and given the younger fans an expectation that Gibbs is the savior of this team.

You also have to keep in mind...Gibbs had some great players on his 80's teams...which helps quite a bit. Alot of players stayed together alot longer than what players do nowadays, and so the continuity was there.

But the long and short of it is this: I DO think Joe Gibbs gives our team the best chance at being rebuilt into the powerhouse it once was. I DON'T think changing coaches and tearing down the team is the answer. For Pete's sake...that's what we have been doing for the past decade...you see how that's worked out!

[Oakland Red]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Letting Walt Harris go was a mistake?

Wow, who would have ever thought we would have heard those words?

We practically rode him outta town a year ago. Perhaps there's a lesson to be learned there.

Harris leads 49ers' defensive attack with three interceptions

It didn't happen in college, nor in high school, nor in any of Walt Harris' 150 previous NFL games. Instead, Sunday marked the first-ever three-interception game for the 49ers' cornerback.


In all, it wasn't a bad week for Harris. The 11-year veteran was named a defensive captain along with defensive lineman Bryant Young earlier in the week, and then followed it with a career game in a 34-20 win over the Raiders that was spearheaded by a spirited defensive effort.


Through five games, Harris easily is the 49ers' defensive MVP with three interceptions, a sack, two forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and eight passes defended.


Not bad for a guy who was released from the Redskins on March 10.
"I feel very comfortable playing with this organization and this defense," said Harris, who reached a deal with the 49ers while he was on a Mexican cruise with his wife, Trina.


Harris says that the 49ers allow him to do what he does best and don't bog him down with lots of instruction on technique.


Harris said he feels revived, and never has he felt like such a leader.
"They told me that would be part of my role when I got here," Harris said. "I like the pressure."


Harris' first two interceptions were gifts from Raiders quarterback Andrew Walter, who threw the ball right to Harris. On Harris' last interception, he baited third-string quarterback Marques Tuiasosopo into throwing a little jump pass, which was intended for Randy Moss. Harris got in front of Moss and out-jumped him for the ball.


Increasingly, Harris is making the Redskins look foolish. Not only did they release Harris, who apparently has a lot left, they also traded for defensive back Mike Rumph, a first-round bust for the 49ers.
Rumph was dealt for wide receiver Taylor Jacobs on Aug. 14. So far, Rumph has made eight tackles and hasn't gotten his hands on the ball as a backup corner for the Redskins.


Harris has played so well, his fellow defensive backs feel no shame in expressing their envy.


"He's got too many (picks)," safety Mike Adams said. "He could have spread that out. You know what I'm saying?"


"At least give me a chance to get one," safety Mike Roman volunteered.
The three interceptions -- matching his total of the past three years -- could have been a result of an increased emphasis on third-down defense during practice. The 49ers, who didn't have an interception this season before Sunday, devoted more practice time to third down after being ranked 29th in third-down efficiency following the 41-0 debacle the previous Sunday in Kansas City.


"Our focus this whole week was do not let your guy catch the ball," rookie linebacker Manny Lawson said.


Lawson tipped a Walter pass on 3rd-and-8 at the beginning of the fourth quarter that was intercepted by safety Chad Williams. The 49ers also limited Oakland to three first downs in nine third-down opportunities.


Harris and the 49ers benefited from a fine game plan. Walter, a second-year player making his second career starts, appeared flummoxed by the 49ers' constantly shifting defense on passing downs.


Typically, the 49ers send out six defensive backs on passing downs and they all seem to take turns running into gaps and backing off. It forced Walter to call a timeout on 3rd-and-4 in the first quarter.


After that, Walter went on a quick count on third downs, which didn't allow him to audible to different plays.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

Harris leads 49ers' defensive attack with three interceptions

It didn't happen in college, nor in high school, nor in any of Walt Harris' 150 previous NFL games. Instead, Sunday marked the first-ever three-interception game for the 49ers' cornerback.


In all, it wasn't a bad week for Harris. The 11-year veteran was named a defensive captain along with defensive lineman Bryant Young earlier in the week, and then followed it with a career game in a 34-20 win over the Raiders that was spearheaded by a spirited defensive effort.


Through five games, Harris easily is the 49ers' defensive MVP with three interceptions, a sack, two forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and eight passes defended.


Not bad for a guy who was released from the Redskins on March 10.
"I feel very comfortable playing with this organization and this defense," said Harris, who reached a deal with the 49ers while he was on a Mexican cruise with his wife, Trina.


Harris says that the 49ers allow him to do what he does best and don't bog him down with lots of instruction on technique.


Harris said he feels revived, and never has he felt like such a leader.
"They told me that would be part of my role when I got here," Harris said. "I like the pressure."


Harris' first two interceptions were gifts from Raiders quarterback Andrew Walter, who threw the ball right to Harris. On Harris' last interception, he baited third-string quarterback Marques Tuiasosopo into throwing a little jump pass, which was intended for Randy Moss. Harris got in front of Moss and out-jumped him for the ball.


Increasingly, Harris is making the Redskins look foolish. Not only did they release Harris, who apparently has a lot left, they also traded for defensive back Mike Rumph, a first-round bust for the 49ers.
Rumph was dealt for wide receiver Taylor Jacobs on Aug. 14. So far, Rumph has made eight tackles and hasn't gotten his hands on the ball as a backup corner for the Redskins.


Harris has played so well, his fellow defensive backs feel no shame in expressing their envy.


"He's got too many (picks)," safety Mike Adams said. "He could have spread that out. You know what I'm saying?"


"At least give me a chance to get one," safety Mike Roman volunteered.
The three interceptions -- matching his total of the past three years -- could have been a result of an increased emphasis on third-down defense during practice. The 49ers, who didn't have an interception this season before Sunday, devoted more practice time to third down after being ranked 29th in third-down efficiency following the 41-0 debacle the previous Sunday in Kansas City.


"Our focus this whole week was do not let your guy catch the ball," rookie linebacker Manny Lawson said.


Lawson tipped a Walter pass on 3rd-and-8 at the beginning of the fourth quarter that was intercepted by safety Chad Williams. The 49ers also limited Oakland to three first downs in nine third-down opportunities.


Harris and the 49ers benefited from a fine game plan. Walter, a second-year player making his second career starts, appeared flummoxed by the 49ers' constantly shifting defense on passing downs.


Typically, the 49ers send out six defensive backs on passing downs and they all seem to take turns running into gaps and backing off. It forced Walter to call a timeout on 3rd-and-4 in the first quarter.


After that, Walter went on a quick count on third downs, which didn't allow him to audible to different plays.

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[Rexi]

Originally Posted by Oakland Red

Harris leads 49ers' defensive attack with three interceptions

It didn't happen in college, nor in high school, nor in any of Walt Harris' 150 previous NFL games. Instead, Sunday marked the first-ever three-interception game for the 49ers' cornerback.


In all, it wasn't a bad week for Harris. The 11-year veteran was named a defensive captain along with defensive lineman Bryant Young earlier in the week, and then followed it with a career game in a 34-20 win over the Raiders that was spearheaded by a spirited defensive effort.


Through five games, Harris easily is the 49ers' defensive MVP with three interceptions, a sack, two forced fumbles, a fumble recovery and eight passes defended.


Not bad for a guy who was released from the Redskins on March 10.
"I feel very comfortable playing with this organization and this defense," said Harris, who reached a deal with the 49ers while he was on a Mexican cruise with his wife, Trina.


Harris says that the 49ers allow him to do what he does best and don't bog him down with lots of instruction on technique.


Harris said he feels revived, and never has he felt like such a leader.
"They told me that would be part of my role when I got here," Harris said. "I like the pressure."


Harris' first two interceptions were gifts from Raiders quarterback Andrew Walter, who threw the ball right to Harris. On Harris' last interception, he baited third-string quarterback Marques Tuiasosopo into throwing a little jump pass, which was intended for Randy Moss. Harris got in front of Moss and out-jumped him for the ball.


Increasingly, Harris is making the Redskins look foolish. Not only did they release Harris, who apparently has a lot left, they also traded for defensive back Mike Rumph, a first-round bust for the 49ers.
Rumph was dealt for wide receiver Taylor Jacobs on Aug. 14. So far, Rumph has made eight tackles and hasn't gotten his hands on the ball as a backup corner for the Redskins.


Harris has played so well, his fellow defensive backs feel no shame in expressing their envy.


"He's got too many (picks)," safety Mike Adams said. "He could have spread that out. You know what I'm saying?"


"At least give me a chance to get one," safety Mike Roman volunteered.
The three interceptions -- matching his total of the past three years -- could have been a result of an increased emphasis on third-down defense during practice. The 49ers, who didn't have an interception this season before Sunday, devoted more practice time to third down after being ranked 29th in third-down efficiency following the 41-0 debacle the previous Sunday in Kansas City.


"Our focus this whole week was do not let your guy catch the ball," rookie linebacker Manny Lawson said.


Lawson tipped a Walter pass on 3rd-and-8 at the beginning of the fourth quarter that was intercepted by safety Chad Williams. The 49ers also limited Oakland to three first downs in nine third-down opportunities.


Harris and the 49ers benefited from a fine game plan. Walter, a second-year player making his second career starts, appeared flummoxed by the 49ers' constantly shifting defense on passing downs.


Typically, the 49ers send out six defensive backs on passing downs and they all seem to take turns running into gaps and backing off. It forced Walter to call a timeout on 3rd-and-4 in the first quarter.


After that, Walter went on a quick count on third downs, which didn't allow him to audible to different plays.

U R KEWL

[offiss]

I prefer to judge Gibbs by his own words, he stated that whats in the past is in the past, this is a new beggining and the buck stops with him, if we take him at his word and forget he is a 3 time SB champ then the grade is an F, 3 seasons into his new beggining and we are going backwards not forward, and most of it stems from one move, and that move is Brunell and Gibbs inability to admit that he made a huge mistake and move on. The only credibility Brunell has had in this league over the last 4 or 5 years is Gibbs belief in him, because no one else believed in him. There is a reason he was about to be released by the Jags before they realized Gibbs was conviced he was Dan Marino and preceded to take advantage of that, not to mention Brunells financial rape of our organization. How you go from about to be released to the scrapheap to a 43 million dollar contract confounds me, especially after watching him play for 3 seasons.

[redskins5044]

i thinks some skins are living in the past with say you cant call for Gibbs job. in my opinion i think he should play out his contract. but if u arent winning and arent making good personnel moves then those are reasons to replaced. if this was spurrier, norv, or marty the crys for there job would be louder. gibbs talks about character guys how about we keep the true skins around here that came up through us aka pierce,smoot,lavar, to me they where done wrong. we pay FA'a big money to come here and never produce. thats why we are hated around the nfl we over pay for players that arent that good. archeltta is the worst safety i seen in a while why not keep ryan clark. randle el is over payed for what he does. loyld hasnt shown me any thing maybe it the qb only time will tell. andre carter cant get any pressure these are the players we signed this year. where are core players we dont have many we sign too many new Fa's to have any. make trade for duckett and doesnt even play what a joke. to me we are the same old skins that were before gibbs got here and to me that is disappointing

[Crat92]

I agree 100%! How long do you guys think we will continue to build through FA? I know it's a Gibbs thing, but it obviosly isn't working? HAIL from MCUSA!

[That Guy]

damn, not another we are family thread. that whole idea is bogus and has already been beaten to death in your last thread which said pretty much the same thing.

it's okay to disagree... i personally haven't seen these posts about gibbs resigning, but please don't tell me because you saw one guy with a post count of 3 you think it's widespread (like the last time you posted one of these threads).

I have no idea why you think we have washington's name... if so, doesn't seattle also share that? no idea where the soul of the union stuff came from either.

We are what we are, and someone deserves blame for this offseason. the last two were good, but this one failed horribly to address needs that many MANY fans (who are unpaid) knew about since last year. I'm not saying it's all on gibbs, but as the man in charge, some of every loss has to be on him.

[CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR]

We all love joe gibbs,but that dosent mean he above criticizism. At this time his personel decisions and danny's have alot to be upset about. Trading away draft picks like they dont matter,even though all the other winning teams use draft picks to win. Lettting our FA go and in return over paying for other people garbage. Not keeping our own and seeing them preforming for other teams are making alot of us true and loyal fans PO for the way we treat the player who putout for our team. Hail to the skins and we all love Joe GIbbs