Offseason plan for 2007

skinsfan69 · 10-23-2006, 01:19 PM

Blow it up! Take the 1st rounder and trade down in the draft. We need muliple players at multiple positions.

ihatelarrymichael · 10-23-2006, 01:23 PM

Hey...I live Indianapolis and I am so bummed this morning.....The Skins need to start keeping draft picks.....I mean, we have TJ Duckett and no 3rd rounder now....3rd rounders in the past have been guys like Chris Cooley...Also, why do you trade for another 1st rounder in 05' only to spend it on J.Campbell and then not play him....why didn't the Skins take a player who was going to help them immediately like Heath Miller??.....This team just makes me sick

Mc2guy · 10-23-2006, 01:47 PM

First of all, as frustrated as I am with this team, I don't think a major blow up is in order. There is a lot of talent out there in Ashburn, we just need to use it properly and add a few key components.

I think the thing we all keep coming back to is something none of us wanted to admit when JG came back...Gibbs needs a top notch personell guy running the show for him. Gibbs the coach is not the guy I want to fire (although the uber conservative play calling is becoming a liability)...Gibbs the GM on the other hand, need to be shown the door. We need a quality pro-personnel director in between Gibbs and Snyder with veto power over the coaching staff. Cerrato must go...he a buddy with the owner and you can't be friends with your boss in football, it doesn't work that way.

Let Gibbs focus on integrating the components of the Gibbs offense and Saunders offense that have worked. I not calling for Saunder's head because I do believe components of his system will work, albeit with some modification to the running plays (play to the O-line's strength, which is power run blocking, not finesse timing stuff).

The key is to have a GM with the final say on personnel calling the shots. Someone with enough backbone to overrule Gibbs where his personal loyalties cloud his judgement (Brunell for example). This would also hopefully fix our propensity to overpay for non-system guys who end up being duds.

Wonder if Danny's dollars could lure a Scott Peoli type from the Pats?

Warpath · 10-23-2006, 01:56 PM

minimal to moderate. no need to revamp the entire team, but i still suppose there is a need to change more than a few players. I've had enough of Archuletta. I've seen enough of Wright. Please shop or trade for a viable corner. Its time for McIntosh to start. Skins are gonna lose out on both Duckett and Betts to free agency. DO NOT go out and buy every expensive free agent on the market, it doesn't work.

SmootSmack · 10-23-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Mc2guy

First of all, as frustrated as I am with this team, I don't think a major blow up is in order. There is a lot of talent out there in Ashburn, we just need to use it properly and add a few key components.

I think the thing we all keep coming back to is something none of us wanted to admit when JG came back...Gibbs needs a top notch personell guy running the show for him. Gibbs the coach is not the guy I want to fire (although the uber conservative play calling is becoming a liability)...Gibbs the GM on the other hand, need to be shown the door. We need a quality pro-personnel director in between Gibbs and Snyder with veto power over the coaching staff. Cerrato must go...he a buddy with the owner and you can't be friends with your boss in football, it doesn't work that way.

Let Gibbs focus on integrating the components of the Gibbs offense and Saunders offense that have worked. I not calling for Saunder's head because I do believe components of his system will work, albeit with some modification to the running plays (play to the O-line's strength, which is power run blocking, not finesse timing stuff).

The key is to have a GM with the final say on personnel calling the shots. Someone with enough backbone to overrule Gibbs where his personal loyalties cloud his judgement (Brunell for example). This would also hopefully fix our propensity to overpay for non-system guys who end up being duds.

Wonder if Danny's dollars could lure a Scott Peoli type from the Pats?

Isn't it contradictory to say the talent is there but then say we need someone else calling the shots on personnel?

SkinsLove24/7 · 10-23-2006, 02:02 PM

obtain depth at every position

Dogtag · 10-23-2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Chris Samuels? I agree man, bring back Jake!!

lol, I agree with that.

Mc2guy · 10-23-2006, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

Isn't it contradictory to say the talent is there but then say we need someone else calling the shots on personnel?

I don't think it's a contradiction. There IS a lot of talent on the team...mostly at the offensive skill positions, but I also said that we need to add to a few key positions, and I don't think the UFA route is the best one personally. It seems like we are at about a 30% hit rate with our FA's and we certainly pay too much for them, which hinders our ability to stock depth. A good GM would look to fill the voids through a balanced approach to the draft and free agency. In other words, look at the voids we have while looking for "system" guys that can be productive without breaking the bank allowing for more talented back-ups at positions like O-line and the defensive secondary.

I also said that this GM would have to have the backbone to tell Gibbs when a player was a bum, preferrably in the offseason (i.e., let guys go that can't perform so there isn't an option, Cough *brunell* Cough).

Look at what San Diego did with the QB position in the offseason. Management decided that Brees' trade value exceeded his value to the club, especially with a first round QB pick riding the pine. Marty didn't like it, but it has reaped dividens for the organization. I believe that is what we need in Washington.

Longtimefan · 10-23-2006, 04:56 PM

I voted for moderate changes because we do have at this time several needs to be dealt with, mostly on defense, and the kicking game. However since we still have nine games left in this season we'll have to see how it plays out. Our needs could change between now and then. We definately do not need to make wholesale changes, in my opinion that would be a step backwards.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-23-2006, 05:22 PM

Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact.
I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?

Longtimefan · 10-23-2006, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact.

I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?

I totally agree about the defense because in all honesty I was shocked at the way this defense played last year considering the talent level. It dosen't suprise me one bit to see it struggle this year with the injuries it's had. I knew when we began to experience injuries on the defense (starting with Springs) we were going to have serious problems. With a team that thin in important area's is bound to take a tumble if injury becomes a factor.

That Guy · 10-23-2006, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

so good cb, good dt, good k, good p, backup OL... an we have a 1, 5, 6, 7.

if you want to go for it, there's a possible 2nd round kicker (crosby) that's hit a ton of kicks from 55+, and a great punter (sepulveda) that'll go in the 4th or 5th (averages over 46 per punt, holds on FGs).

for OL, ther's a good top 5 OT, that'd be overkill though :/. I don't know about low rounders, but jahri evans was a great guy available (and known about) in the later part of the second day last year. there is a big (6'0, 198) top 10 cb, but i don't know much about him yet. DT is a bit bare that high up, but there's a couple guys that might go in round 1 (one is around #30-35 though). We don't have enough picks to get all those guys though. either DT/CB, then try and find guys late, or trade down and use the 2nd or 3rd you pick up to get both. i don't see anyone that really stands out (outside quinn or peterson if he declares) yet, but its just too early.

steveo395 · 10-23-2006, 09:47 PM

Minimal. Try and trade down the 1st round pick for 2 2nd rounders, draft a CB and an OL. Don't sign any new starters, just depth. Start Campbell!!! Run a longer and tougher training camp. The offense will know the system better and there will be better chemistry. We have one of the most talented teams and the best coaches. We don't need to change much. And stop trading away draft picks. The best teams build through the draft.

JGisLordOfTheRings · 10-23-2006, 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman.

On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job.

On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent.

Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact.
I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?

jesus...i havent had the heart to post anything after we sucked Manning's wang-dang but,......this is one of the best offseason scenarios/solutions that IVE EVER heard....bank on it...they follow those directions and were 13-3 next season....i havent the heart to post again till we win a fucking game...peace

jdlea · 10-23-2006, 10:50 PM

I say minimal to moderate. Make the switch to Campbell, that's kind of a big deal. I think that means more than a minimal change. Also, I think you need to make a move for a young corner, a weakside LB, maybe another DT and a DE to replace Daniels. Not all of these need to be starters and not all of them need to be vets. They can draft any of them. I think that the Skins could use a cover saftey, but they're kinda married to Archuleta. Maybe AA will come into his own in the system, but if he's going to, it won't be as a cover guy. They need better corners to help him out.

View Poll Results: The Redskins offseason plan for 2007 should be...
Major changes in personnel and coaches, blow it all up	3	4.62%
Moderate changes	31	47.69%
Minimal changes	28	43.08%
No changes at all	3	4.62%
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10-23-2006, 01:19 PM	#16
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,337	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 Blow it up! Take the 1st rounder and trade down in the draft. We need muliple players at multiple positions.

10-23-2006, 01:23 PM	#17
ihatelarrymichael Camp Scrub Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 1	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 Hey...I live Indianapolis and I am so bummed this morning.....The Skins need to start keeping draft picks.....I mean, we have TJ Duckett and no 3rd rounder now....3rd rounders in the past have been guys like Chris Cooley...Also, why do you trade for another 1st rounder in 05' only to spend it on J.Campbell and then not play him....why didn't the Skins take a player who was going to help them immediately like Heath Miller??.....This team just makes me sick

10-23-2006, 01:47 PM	#18
Mc2guy Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Burke, VA Age: 47 Posts: 287	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 First of all, as frustrated as I am with this team, I don't think a major blow up is in order. There is a lot of talent out there in Ashburn, we just need to use it properly and add a few key components. I think the thing we all keep coming back to is something none of us wanted to admit when JG came back...Gibbs needs a top notch personell guy running the show for him. Gibbs the coach is not the guy I want to fire (although the uber conservative play calling is becoming a liability)...Gibbs the GM on the other hand, need to be shown the door. We need a quality pro-personnel director in between Gibbs and Snyder with veto power over the coaching staff. Cerrato must go...he a buddy with the owner and you can't be friends with your boss in football, it doesn't work that way. Let Gibbs focus on integrating the components of the Gibbs offense and Saunders offense that have worked. I not calling for Saunder's head because I do believe components of his system will work, albeit with some modification to the running plays (play to the O-line's strength, which is power run blocking, not finesse timing stuff). The key is to have a GM with the final say on personnel calling the shots. Someone with enough backbone to overrule Gibbs where his personal loyalties cloud his judgement (Brunell for example). This would also hopefully fix our propensity to overpay for non-system guys who end up being duds. Wonder if Danny's dollars could lure a Scott Peoli type from the Pats?

10-23-2006, 01:56 PM	#19
Warpath The Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Potomac Falls, VA Age: 48 Posts: 1,762	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 minimal to moderate. no need to revamp the entire team, but i still suppose there is a need to change more than a few players. I've had enough of Archuletta. I've seen enough of Wright. Please shop or trade for a viable corner. Its time for McIntosh to start. Skins are gonna lose out on both Duckett and Betts to free agency. DO NOT go out and buy every expensive free agent on the market, it doesn't work.

10-23-2006, 02:02 PM	#21
SkinsLove24/7 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bowie, MD Age: 37 Posts: 423	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 obtain depth at every position

10-23-2006, 04:56 PM	#24
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 I voted for moderate changes because we do have at this time several needs to be dealt with, mostly on defense, and the kicking game. However since we still have nine games left in this season we'll have to see how it plays out. Our needs could change between now and then. We definately do not need to make wholesale changes, in my opinion that would be a step backwards.

10-23-2006, 05:22 PM	#25
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 Provided that Campbell shows some promise, I would make him the starter and not touch any of the other starters on offense. I would, however, find another backup offensive lineman. On defense, I would make a few changes. Provided that we see some of Rocky and like what we see, I would make him the starter. I would add a starting-caliber defensive tackle. Finally, I would add a quality #2 corner who could start, but who would not blow up upon being relegated to nickel duties if Rogers improves enough to warrrant a starting job. On special teams, I would get a reliable kicker and punter. Novak clearly is not the answer. Frost could be a keeper, but he's been inconsistent. Finally, and MOST importantly, I would keep the entire coaching staff intact. I honestly believe that our defensive woes are a reflection of the injuries, NOT Williams. I also honestly believe that Saunders' offense will work in year 2. I cannot understand how any fan who has followed the Redskins for any period of time could ask for an overhaul of our coaching staff. Has anyone learned that turnover on the coaching staff wreaks havoc on a team's identity and performance?

10-23-2006, 09:47 PM	#28
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 Minimal. Try and trade down the 1st round pick for 2 2nd rounders, draft a CB and an OL. Don't sign any new starters, just depth. *Start Campbell!!!* Run a longer and tougher training camp. The offense will know the system better and there will be better chemistry. We have one of the most talented teams and the best coaches. We don't need to change much. And stop trading away draft picks. The best teams build through the draft. __________________

10-23-2006, 10:50 PM	#30
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Offseason plan for 2007 I say minimal to moderate. Make the switch to Campbell, that's kind of a big deal. I think that means more than a minimal change. Also, I think you need to make a move for a young corner, a weakside LB, maybe another DT and a DE to replace Daniels. Not all of these need to be starters and not all of them need to be vets. They can draft any of them. I think that the Skins could use a cover saftey, but they're kinda married to Archuleta. Maybe AA will come into his own in the system, but if he's going to, it won't be as a cover guy. They need better corners to help him out.

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