Mel Kiper on Monk

MTK · 11-02-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

To say Martin had a successful career is an understatement, Martin is the #4 all time leading rusher. He's a lock for the HoF.

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

irish · 11-02-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

And Monk was #1 in receptions when he retired yet he's still on the outside looking in.

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

MTK · 11-02-2006, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

Monk gets the shaft on many levels. He played in a day where catching 100 balls in a season was unheard of... and he was the first to do it! With how pass happy the NFL has become, it's only made his accomplishments seem that much more insignificant which is sad.

It should be interesting to see what happens with Martin. I'm really not sure that he's a lock. There are a lot of people out there that differ on Martin and even Bettis.

If I had a vote, I'd put Martin in. To me his numbers tell the story.

#4 on the rushing list
14,101 yards
90 TDs
10 straight 1000 yard seasons
5 seasons of 1300 or better
4.0 avg
4 seasons of double digit TDs

He was consistently one of the better backs in this league for a long time.

FRPLG · 11-02-2006, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

not HoF material? WTF? You call yourself a Skins fan?!?!

And by the way if receptions and rushing yards aren't comparable then what receiving stat is comparable?

SouperMeister · 11-02-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

Receptions and rushing yards are just not comparable. Monk was a good receiver but not HoF material. I have a hard time getting my mind around the fact that CM is the #4 all-time leading rusher because I have a hard time seeing him as HoF worthy.

Receiving yards and rushing yards are comparable, and Monk retired top-5 in receiving yards in addition to #1 in receptions. Those two alone should have been plenty to get Monk in (not to mention his 3 rings). Had he spent his career in a pass-first West Coast Offense, there's no telling how much greater his stats would have been.

redsk1 · 11-02-2006, 11:45 AM

The HOF is a joke and that's sad. I just can't believe that players like Lynn Swann, the other steeler wr ---can't think of his name, are in the HOF w/ #'s that are not even in the same league as monk's.

AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace · 11-02-2006, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

The HOF is a joke and that's sad. I just can't believe that players like Lynn Swann, the other steeler wr ---can't think of his name, are in the HOF w/ #'s that are not even in the same league as monk's.

Stallworth deserves to be there I believe...I am making the trip to canton when Monk gets enshrined...either that or next year when green gets in

redsk1 · 11-02-2006, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace

Stallworth deserves to be there I believe...I am making the trip to canton when Monk gets enshrined...either that or next year when green gets in

Yea, i'm not exactly sure about Stallworths #'s so i probably shouldn't have included him in there. I guess my point is that if WR's are in w/ significantly lower #'s than monk should be in too.

SouperMeister · 11-02-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

Yea, i'm not exactly sure about Stallworths #'s so i probably shouldn't have included him in there. I guess my point is that if WR's are in w/ significantly lower #'s than monk should be in too.

Monk retired with more receptions than Swann and Stallworth COMBINED. The upside for them was winning 4 Super Bowls and making huge plays in those games. Monk will get in once asses like Peter King get off their high horses and stop speaking against him.

FRPLG · 11-02-2006, 11:49 AM

Wow...Kiper made some huge points with me on that. I think the guy gets unfairly ridiculed a lot and this confirms to me that he does have some sense at least.

dmek25 · 11-02-2006, 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Wow...Kiper made some huge points with me on that. I think the guy gets unfairly ridiculed a lot and this confirms to me that he does have some sense at least.

i have always had respect for kiper. he studies football, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. he was a draft connoisseur long before it was cool. and generally knows what he is talking about

FRPLG · 11-02-2006, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by dmek25

i have always had respect for kiper. he studies football, 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. he was a draft connoisseur long before it was cool. and generally knows what he is talking about

That is basically my feeling but youi hear a lot of people bashing him for some reason. Maybe because he is so opionated. The guy lives and breathes the draft 24/7/365. He literally only does NFL draft prep for the entire year for his job. He knows what he is talking about better than almost anyone alive. Even college scouts don't know as much as he does.

onlydarksets · 11-02-2006, 11:57 AM

Well, at the rate LT and a couple of others (Alexander, possibly Dunn, maybe Jamal Lewis) are going, Martin might not be in 4th place by the time he's eligible for the HoF. I'll be interested to hear Peter King explain that one if Monk isn't in the Hall by then, since he uses that excuse against Monk.

Warpath · 11-02-2006, 01:05 PM

I have always told my wife that WHEN Monk gets in we are going no matter what. He'll get in. Just don't know when.

BrunellMVP? · 11-02-2006, 01:09 PM

its a disgrace that he's not in...
parcells said monk would be going downhill on rollerskates when asked about the ease of monk's hall prospects.

the man retired with many many recieving records, its not his fault that the great one came and destroyed them...he is a prince and a scholar.

11-02-2006, 11:45 AM	#6
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk The HOF is a joke and that's sad. I just can't believe that players like Lynn Swann, the other steeler wr ---can't think of his name, are in the HOF w/ #'s that are not even in the same league as monk's.

11-02-2006, 11:49 AM	#10
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 10,164	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk Wow...Kiper made some huge points with me on that. I think the guy gets unfairly ridiculed a lot and this confirms to me that he does have some sense at least.

11-02-2006, 11:57 AM	#13
onlydarksets Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: all up in your business Posts: 2,693	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk Well, at the rate LT and a couple of others (Alexander, possibly Dunn, maybe Jamal Lewis) are going, Martin might not be in 4th place by the time he's eligible for the HoF. I'll be interested to hear Peter King explain that one if Monk isn't in the Hall by then, since he uses that excuse against Monk.

11-02-2006, 01:05 PM	#14
Warpath The Starter Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Potomac Falls, VA Age: 50 Posts: 1,762	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk I have always told my wife that WHEN Monk gets in we are going no matter what. He'll get in. Just don't know when.

11-02-2006, 01:09 PM	#15
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Mel Kiper on Monk its a disgrace that he's not in... parcells said monk would be going downhill on rollerskates when asked about the ease of monk's hall prospects. the man retired with many many recieving records, its not his fault that the great one came and destroyed them...he is a prince and a scholar. __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

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