Potential Offseason Cuts and Cap Savings

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Maybe he'll be so miserable that he'll buy his way out of the contract to go to Chicago.

You think anyone is gonna want him after the way he has looked this year?

[hooskins]

Do you guys realize we are gonna be in huge trouble in a couple years when ARE's and AA's contracts start becoming really expensive. I really hope ARE will restructure then, he seems really committed to the team.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

If you think Portis will or should be gone in 2007, you need to stop free-basing.

I'm not saying I want him gone becasue I don't. What I'm saying is that his number is real big next year and you know they are going to ask him to renegotiate. So there is a chance he could be let go. His contract is basically a three year deal. Needs are everywhere. O-line, D-line, linebacker and 2ndary. The whole team is so top heavy, meaning too much money is invested in the starters and not enough invested in quality depth. Do I think we could win with Betts, Duckett and Cartwright? Hell yeah. I believe you win with defense and you can replace RB's. Yes Portis is a great back but I would rather have two disruptive pass rushers on our front 7 than Portis.

[That Guy]

couple notes on comments here:

1. after lavar gave money back, they fixed the CBA to prevent players from being allowed to return guaranteed money... i don't know the specifics, so i'm not sure if there's still a possible loophole, but i don't think you can ever count on that.

2. when ARE, AA, etc's contracts jump from vet min salary to ~4mill a year, 60% of the signing bonus (6mill) will be off the books, so they could be cut for no savings at that point. Not a great situation, since it'll still be 4mill of unusable cap space per, but it's not cataclysmic... the combined result or so many exploding contracts is bad though (unless you can stretch it until another TV deal comes to bail us out, which is NOT a great idea).

3. It's too bad patten got signed to an extension due to the cap crisis :/ otherwise he'd be easy to ditch or trade (he'd be decent for another team at under a 2mill/year average).

4. Dockery and betts should be re-signed, since they have more value here than with any other team, so the prices should be low (hopefully they don't get blown away, in which case, matching would be a bad idea).

5. the cuts - that list is slim pickings :/. when looking through it, remember that some guys CANNOT be replaced any cheaper (price/performance), and the min. cost to fill a roster spot is ~250k (rookie) or 425k (vet 1 year deal).

suggested cuts:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (use high first round pick on adam gaines)
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m


emergency cuts:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (cheap safeties are always available)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (4 deep + RBs/TEs/FBs/street FAs is good enough)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (wouldn't leave us with any depth)

keeps:
Joe Salave'a - $710K (cheap, not much DT depth)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

I'd guess one of wynn or daniels will re-structure... if not, there's a good chance only one (or neither) will be back - but replacements would have to be lined up first.

the big thing is to clear room to try and get clements signed, since we don't have 2 first day draft picks to address both DE and CB.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by That Guy

couple notes on comments here:

1. after lavar gave money back, they fixed the CBA to prevent players from being allowed to return guaranteed money... i don't know the specifics, so i'm not sure if there's still a possible loophole, but i don't think you can ever count on that.

2. when ARE, AA, etc's contracts jump from vet min salary to ~4mill a year, 60% of the signing bonus (6mill) will be off the books, so they could be cut for no savings at that point. Not a great situation, since it'll still be 4mill of unusable cap space per, but it's not cataclysmic... the combined result or so many exploding contracts is bad though (unless you can stretch it until another TV deal comes to bail us out, which is NOT a great idea).

3. It's too bad patten got signed to an extension due to the cap crisis :/ otherwise he'd be easy to ditch or trade (he'd be decent for another team at under a 2mill/year average).

4. Dockery and betts should be re-signed, since they have more value here than with any other team, so the prices should be low (hopefully they don't get blown away, in which case, matching would be a bad idea).

5. the cuts - that list is slim pickings :/. when looking through it, remember that some guys CANNOT be replaced any cheaper (price/performance), and the min. cost to fill a roster spot is ~250k (rookie) or 425k (vet 1 year deal).

suggested cuts:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m (use high first round pick on adam gaines)
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m


emergency cuts:
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m (cheap safeties are always available)
James Thrash - $1.3 m (4 deep + RBs/TEs/FBs/street FAs is good enough)
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m (wouldn't leave us with any depth)

keeps:
Joe Salave'a - $710K (cheap, not much DT depth)
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

I'd guess one of wynn or daniels will re-structure... if not, there's a good chance only one (or neither) will be back - but replacements would have to be lined up first.

the big thing is to clear room to try and get clements signed, since we don't have 2 first day draft picks to address both DE and CB.

I like Clemons but they had better get some pass rushers first. I think that will help the 2ndary and hopefully Carlos R. will get better. I don't see how Wynn will be back and Brunell will be back.

[MTK]

Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
Phillip Daniels - $1.9 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Troy Vincent - $1.37 m
James Thrash - $1.3 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Pierson Prioleau - $710K
Lemar Marshall - $600K
Demetric Evans - $600K
Khary Campbell - $500K
Rock Cartwright - $450K
Nick Novak - $435K

My cut wish list is in bold. It's time to cut some serious fat and inject some youth into this team, especially on defense. Though I wouldn't mind seeing Vincent back again.

[irish]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

CP does have a huge number for next year and had he had a good season this year the skins might have been able to move him and avoid the big hit but he has been injury riddled this season and because of that I think his value has been diminished.

[MTK]

Portis isn't going anywhere.

[BrunellMVP?]

my cut list:
Mark Brunell - $2.33 m
Renaldo Wynn - $2.5 m
John Hall - $1.5 m
Todd Collins - $1.25 m
Christian Fauria - $1.0 m
Mike Rumph - $1.0 m
Joe Salave'a - $710K
Nick Novak - $435K
Adam Archuleta: $6.5 m hit to cut (pride will make him work something out)
David Patten: $2.2 m hit to cut

we prob won't cut both backup QBs...and i don't mind tossing one of our overpaid lineman- trade for picks?

[BrunellMVP?]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Do you guys realize we are gonna be in huge trouble in a couple years when ARE's and AA's contracts start becoming really expensive. I really hope ARE will restructure then, he seems really committed to the team.

THis may seem incredibly naive...but we've been hearing about how the salary cap is going to catch up to us for years- how our spending (however stupid) is going to kill us- etc. but last time I checked, every year we go out and spend money to aquire whatever toys we prize (with almost no regard for cost). it seems to me, as players can always restructure, and salaries can be spread over years, that no matter how much we spend, we will always make it work. The only time, that i see this system failing (in a financial sense-bc it has already failed in on-field performance) is if Synder sells, and the new owner doesn't subscribe to his push payments into perpetuity formula. is my logic fatally flawed here??

[vaoutlaws2006]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

You are forgetting one big name. Clinton Portis. He has a HUGE number next year and it is possible that he may be playing elsewhere in 07. Re-sign Betts and Duckett and go with that combination. You know Gibbs likes the big back anyway and I think that is one of the reasons Duckett was brought in here. Becasue of the Portis situation next year. As good as Portis is it might make sense to move in another direction to place the big money he makes in other areas of need.

thats just nonsense. portis is our best player. betts and duckett both are free agents at seasons end. Look for betts to be back but duckett is out.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Portis isn't going anywhere.

I agree. Nobody will want him because he is dinged. I see folks are talking about CP like they did LaVar.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree. Nobody will want him because he is dinged. I see folks are talking about CP like they did LaVar.

You really think nobody would want CP??

He's not nursing a chronic knee like LaVar.

He's still a top back in this league, he would have no problem finding a new team.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

What?! This is crazy talk. Portis will be back next year and be fine. I think it would be even better if we can get a great tackle in the draft as well.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You really think nobody would want CP??

He's not nursing a chronic knee like LaVar.

He's still a top back in this league, he would have no problem finding a new team.

Not for the $ he will command.

I know he's not nursing a chronic knee but he hurt his shoulder earlier and now his hand. IMO that would raise questions to others about whether CP is now injury prone.

He is a top back but he's expensive. RBs are a dime a dozen in this league and the most expendible of any position on the team. Teams (except for the skins) like to draft RB at a low cost and then have them outperform their contract.