At what point would a skins fan be justified in calling for Gibbs' resignation?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Exactly, Ill. For the record, I love Joe Gibbs and what he's done for this town. He came in and restored respectability to this franchise and a sense of pride to the city about their team. But this notion that Gibbs is infallable, is beyond me.

I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

You are entitled to your own opinion. Fact is those guys bascially are unproven, Joe is???????? Redskins are who without him? Working on Spurrier 2, or 3? Has there been mistakes made? Without a doubt. What do you judge the tunaround time for LONGTIME losing franchises to be? Do you think he has delivered success's of note in his Joe2 tenure? Sweeping Cboys, playoffs??? These sound familiar?

True. I just threw out those names as examples, not really to compare them to Gibbs' success. I mean, who else has an active winning percentage better than Gibbs...maybe Bellichek?

Funny you threw out Spurrier? I think had we kept either Marty Shott...or maybe held on to Marvin Lewis long enough to make him head coach, it's possible we're not even discussing Gibbs.

[MTK]

We let the wrong coach go when Marvin Lewis was here.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I personally have not read any post suggesting Gibbs is infallible. I do however, seriously question your ability to accurately assess his accomplishments, lack thereof, or his ability to deliver them.

I have personally read some, in fact many, that certainly suggest he's beyond reproach, that's for damn sure.

[12thMan]

Now Marvin is stuck in Cincy with a bunch of misfit juvenilles. I think in hindsight, no knock on Gibbs, his temperment would have meshed well with the current set of players we have.

[irish]

If there is one thing this team needs desperately it is stability. Gibbs 2.0 has not been too bad this time around and changing coaches wont change anything.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Now Marvin is stuck in Cincy with a bunch of misfit juvenilles. I think in hindsight, no knock on Gibbs, his temperment would have meshed well with the current set of players we have.

He's built that team full of felons though.

[BrunellMVP?]

i am probably as displeasd with gibbs as anybody (for many reason- one being the hiring of saunders), but asking for his resignation is not the way too go. washington has been riddled with coaching changes, we need a constant. gibbs is that constant. let him remain...bring back all the coaches, give them the opp to finish what they started. takes a few years for people to learn systems....
its going to be hard enough on JC next year- lets not make him learn a new system.

[skinsguy]

I will always be a yes man for Joe Gibbs no matter what. He deserves nothing less than to honor his five year contract. I tend to be more patient with coaches like Joe Gibbs for a couple reasons: First reason is obvious in the fact that he is a proven leader and has had alot of success as an NFL head coach. Second reason is that I am tired of this coaching carousel. It has proven nothing for us in the past decade and a half, except to stunt any growth that this team might have had.

I truly believe that lack of patience is what has hurt this team in the past. Owners, coaches, and fans alike need to learn that in this era of instant gradification, we have to relearn patience. Gibbs isn't God, he's human like everybody else. I believe he has tried to do exactly what is needed for this team. It just hasn't happened exactly the way he had hoped.

[12thMan]

I agree, Irish. The only point I'm making is failure is failure whether we're talking about Joe Gibbs or the newest coach in the NFL. And I think it's possible that we sometimes become jaded by past success or reputation when dealing with certain individuals that we've endeared ourselves to.

I'm not advocating a switch by any means.

[Daseal]

I truly believe that lack of patience is what has hurt this team in the past.

I agree here, which is why Im wary of Joe Gibbs. He's in win now mode, not build for the future mode. Something we're not ready to do yet. I think he's a solid head coach, but he's right around a middle of the pack coach in this day and age. He's certainly not a top 10 coach anymore.

[Skins fan 44]

I will never turn my back on Joe Gibbs.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I agree here, which is why Im wary of Joe Gibbs. He's in win now mode, not build for the future mode. Something we're not ready to do yet. I think he's a solid head coach, but he's right around a middle of the pack coach in this day and age. He's certainly not a top 10 coach anymore.

I disagree, drafting Campbell was done with an eye on the future, which is now thankfully.

[irish]

I agree 12th, if his name was Joe Dibbs he'd be gone. He's getting whatever benefit of the doubt he's getting because of what he's done in the past, because what he's done currently is not any better than OBC did.

[backrow]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I will always be a yes man for Joe Gibbs no matter what. He deserves nothing less than to honor his five year contract.

I don't disagree. He's got the job as long as he wants it. One thing we cannot, ever do is remove the HOF title in front of his name. I suspect this is his last year. Two disapointments sandwiching a PO year are the final chapters in the HOF Coach Gibbs legacy.