Bag on Gibbs, bag on Green, what's next change our logo?

[dblanch66]

YEAH!! And....Dallas Sucks.

[hooskins]

This is a retarded thread, I really feel some of you fans think that once someone is a redskins, or was a skin, you cannot be critical towards them. That is silly, is a Redskins player a god???? Jeez I love what Green did on the field, but that doesnt mean I am gonna have blind man love for him off the field. My accounts about him have showed he can be an asshole. Why is that soo hard to grasp. Sorry to burst you bubble guys, but this is common in sports, not just with Green.

Tons of players can be assholes off the field, and I am not surprised that they are.

Get over it and grow up.

[Darrell_Green_28]

now there you go calling Mr Redskin an asshole.. just because he has a different attitude off the field than he did on the field and it's not to your liking makes him an asshole? he might be different than what you would expect but does that constitute calling him an asshole??? so get over it and stop calling someone who didnt run up to you offering his first born , an asshole.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by hesscl34

You're only less of a fan if you hate Gibbs!!!!

and call one of the greatest , if not the greatest, cornerbacks an asshole

[skinsguy]

Let me make this point. I realize that we have Redskins fans who want to win and want to win now. Heck, all of us should be wanting to see our team win and be champions. In the end, I don't believe any of us really care who leads us to these victories, whether it be this coaching staff or another one, Jason Campbell or Mark Brunell or even Todd Collins. We just want to see "W's" put up on the board and not "L's".

But at the sametime, it shouldn't be hard to figure out why we hold such an allegiance to Joe Gibbs. Him and his coaching staff is what brought this team our last true glory years of this franchise. Gibbs is probably one of the main reasons that we're Redskins fans today. At least it's him and those great players from the 80's and early 90's that made me such a big fan of this team. I understand that some fans here became fans because the team is in your hometown, but I don't care if this team played in Seattle, Washington instead of D.C., I would still pull for them.

Like it or not, Joe Gibbs should be given some type of amnesty for his accomplishments. What would it profit us to fire him and put someone else in to coach, just because they would be younger? Just might give us more years to be a losing team. I say give Gibbs as long as he needs for the simple fact that while people argue it was all Bobby Beathard in the 80's and that football has changed dramatically nowadays, football comes down to X's and O's. Gibbs knows how to coach. He knows how to motivate and he knows the X's and O's. You forget that alot is on his shoulders. He's trying to make all the right moves to rebuild this entire franchise. It's going to take time. Alot of us agreed when Gibbs first come here that it might take him all 5 years on his contract to get this team back to good standings. At least half of those people now are wanting him fired because they're too impatient. Hey, I wanna win just like the next guy, but I'm willing to allow someone who HAS been success in this league to build the team right than to put someone else in who will mess around for a year or two and dig this team deeper in a hole.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by hooskins

My accounts about him have showed he can be an asshole. Why is that soo hard to grasp. Sorry to burst you bubble guys, but this is common in sports, not just with Green.

How so?

[70chip13083]

I completely agree with Schneed10, as I mentioned in a previous post. Being a critic is an important part of being a fan, and there is a difference between a critic and a whinner, as most of us can recognize.

[PhxRedSkin]

Some of you have taken me wrong here. There is nothing objectionable to being critical about our Redskins. Yes, it would be boring if we didn't have things to remark about. That is football and I would never take the element of chance out of the game. It would not be worth watching(any football game, even pop warner.) The point of this thread was that 28 has in my mind always been a stand up guy and role model. "Hi I'm Darrell Green of the Washington Redskins and The United Way." Be critical, be hardnosed and foul if you may when we do not play well. What this thread was about is please do not trash or excrete on your family when we are not living up to the expected. Criticize all that you would like to, but please do not shit on our family. Shitting on should be left for the rest of the nfc east. On a different note, protect Campbell(line) and I forsee good things for the next 7 games.
As always Hail

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[70Chip]

I think it's normal for fans to be critical when the team is 3 and 6. Also, I have heard enough stories of Green's prickly behaviour from enough different sources to conclude that he can be... well, ...prickly. It wouldn't be that much of a shock if he didn't have a reputation that was very nearly saint-like. Of course, none of that diminishes his accomplishments as a football player.

I will say that if someone is going to be critical of Gibbs, they can expect to be criticized in return. The man has done more than earn the respect and regard of those of us who have followed this team for a while. I think that may explain some of the disconnect. I have to remind myself that there are many fans who simply aren't old enough to remember how magical Gibbs 1 was. But, no reasonable and civil argument should be out of bounds. We have to be honest and realistic. Coach Joe has told us as much himself.

But, when I see someone slam Gibbs and then express dismay at the lack of ensuing applause, it reminds me of certain celebrities. Specifically, the country music singer whom I refer to simply as "The Fat One in the Middle".

[70chip13083]

I love Gibbs as much as anyone. I also think a CERTAIN amount of amnesty is warranted. However, no one is immune from criticism after a point. Should we never question his decision making forever based on past success? Do we all get a lifelong pass at our jobs because we were productive in the past? Like it or not, we are judged on how we produce today with more or less of a break based on past performance. Gibbs certainly gets a major break, however his stubborness does, at times, get under my skin

[skinsguy]

I think people are getting being critical and being impatient mixed up. I don't believe nobody here has ever said not to question anything Gibbs does, but I think most of us are saying to pack in and start all over again now is being waay out of line.

[70chip13083]

I do not think we should "pack it in". I do think that the organization needs a lesson in strategic planning. Everyone, including Snyder, Gibbs, Cerrato, Williams and Saunders need to look how successful teams in the recent past have become successful long term, then start heading in this direction. I do think if management is unwilling to do this, then we need to start over. Putting in Campbell looks to be a first step of positive change, but certainly more needs to be done without stubbornness and ego getting in the way.

[PhxRedSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Let me make this point. I realize that we have Redskins fans who want to win and want to win now. Heck, all of us should be wanting to see our team win and be champions. In the end, I don't believe any of us really care who leads us to these victories, whether it be this coaching staff or another one, Jason Campbell or Mark Brunell or even Todd Collins. We just want to see "W's" put up on the board and not "L's".

But at the sametime, it shouldn't be hard to figure out why we hold such an allegiance to Joe Gibbs. Him and his coaching staff is what brought this team our last true glory years of this franchise. Gibbs is probably one of the main reasons that we're Redskins fans today. At least it's him and those great players from the 80's and early 90's that made me such a big fan of this team. I understand that some fans here became fans because the team is in your hometown, but I don't care if this team played in Seattle, Washington instead of D.C., I would still pull for them.

Like it or not, Joe Gibbs should be given some type of amnesty for his accomplishments. What would it profit us to fire him and put someone else in to coach, just because they would be younger? Just might give us more years to be a losing team. I say give Gibbs as long as he needs for the simple fact that while people argue it was all Bobby Beathard in the 80's and that football has changed dramatically nowadays, football comes down to X's and O's. Gibbs knows how to coach. He knows how to motivate and he knows the X's and O's. You forget that alot is on his shoulders. He's trying to make all the right moves to rebuild this entire franchise. It's going to take time. Alot of us agreed when Gibbs first come here that it might take him all 5 years on his contract to get this team back to good standings. At least half of those people now are wanting him fired because they're too impatient. Hey, I wanna win just like the next guy, but I'm willing to allow someone who HAS been success in this league to build the team right than to put someone else in who will mess around for a year or two and dig this team deeper in a hole.

Well spoken!

Hail
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[wolfeskins]

it's ok to question certain decissions made by gibbs and co. but to say things like "gibbs should be fired" or "greg williams has lost it" is kinda silly too me. as to the bad decissions made by gibbs and co. i think there were only two mistakes 1- letting antonio peirce go. 2- letting ryan clark go.

[PhxRedSkin]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I think people are getting being critical and being impatient mixed up. I don't believe nobody here has ever said not to question anything Gibbs does, but I think most of us are saying to pack in and start all over again now is being waay out of line.

Clarify your post please. Call me dumb, fine, but please clarify.