O Line

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Citizens for 81

Great point, and that's disappointing especially since he's one of the main faces of skins to others in the league, fans, and media.

I say we take him off all those Redskins shows and put Brunell there.

[Citizens for 81]

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I say we take him off all those Redskins shows and put Brunell there.

Brunell might cry if someone asks him a tough question. What am I saying this is the skins nobody's going to do that

[Longtimefan]

Perhaps the O-line will play better when we establish an identity as a team. I'm trying to figure out whether we want to be a running team, or a passing team, and the O-line suffers as a result. The running plays we utilize this year are not the same plays Portis ran us to the playoffs with last year. I'm not so sure our linemen are the type to run many of the stretch plays Saunders likes to utilize. In KC he had lighter, active linemen with more of an ability to run to the edge. I don't know that we nedd to change personel as much as we need to change the method of attack.

In defense of Samuels I think in most games he acredits himself well. He did a great job today of riding his man far to the outside, and beyond the pocket. The only time he has trouble is with the speed rushers, as do most OT. He had trouble with Dwight Freeney mainly because of his speed. I think once the team actually establishes itself as arunning team once again, the pass blocking will improve, however they must commit to the run, and stay with it. We had far too few rushing atempts today.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Perhaps the O-line will play better when we establish an identity as a team. I'm trying to figure out whether we want to be a running team, or a passing team, and the O-line suffers as a result.

The problem is that professional football players who play the offensive line are supposed to be able to do both. I've had enough of the "identity crisis" crap. Let's not mistake Redskins football with the pre-Bill Callahan Nebraska Cornhuskers.

The way we hear it sometimes you'd think these guys can run block, but they can't be expected to pass block. They'd prefer to run it, be smashmouth, that sort of thing -- but they're not showing they can be good at that.

You cannot pound the ball 50 times and expect to win in this league. You must have balance. You must give the quarterback time to throw, and yes, occasionally, it would be nice if they could pick up a blitz or two.

[70Chip]

I actually thought the O-Line played their best road game of the year today. The problem is that Betts is not quite elusive and not quite a bruiser. He's a tweener. He's not a back that is ever going to scare defenses the way a healthy Portis does. He found a little niche as Brunell's third down safety-valve, but he is a journeyman. I would like to see Duckett become the feature and run power plays the rest of the year. Counter Gap and Gut. Quit trying to capture the edge. Betts can't outrun anyone anyways. (Basically, we chuck Saunders for the old school Gibbs plays). We can do it now that we have Jason Campbell and his freakin lazer beam throws. Pound it, Pound it, 18 yard deep in. Defenses start to cry.

We need to put Saunders on a train and say, "Thanks for the info, and sorry it didn't work out. We'll hold on to this playbook just in case. No, no we'll call you."

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Samuels played much better today. I think Dockery has actually been one of our better linemen this hyear. He makes progress every year.

It might be time to draft a replacement for Jansen. He looks HORRIBLE.

No Simeon Rice

[Daseal]

Perhaps the O-line will play better when we establish an identity as a team. I'm trying to figure out whether we want to be a running team, or a passing team, and the O-line suffers as a result. The running plays we utilize this year are not the same plays Portis ran us to the playoffs with last year. I'm not so sure our linemen are the type to run many of the stretch plays Saunders likes to utilize. In KC he had lighter, active linemen with more of an ability to run to the edge. I don't know that we nedd to change personel as much as we need to change the method of attack.

In defense of Samuels I think in most games he acredits himself well. He did a great job today of riding his man far to the outside, and beyond the pocket. The only time he has trouble is with the speed rushers, as do most OT. He had trouble with Dwight Freeney mainly because of his speed. I think once the team actually establishes itself as arunning team once again, the pass blocking will improve, however they must commit to the run, and stay with it. We had far too few rushing atempts today.

Hey Bill Maas, we heard you say this exact same thing on TV yesterday. Nice plagarism.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

We had far too few rushing atempts today.

What? Do you mean passing attempts?

In any case, going into the final drive, the Skins had run 44 plays. 22 Runs and 22 passes. Pretty balanced, don't you think?

It all comes back to the D. The D let the Bucs control the game with the run. 54 offensive plays in a game is terrible.

[That Guy]

we need to draft and sign defense. CB, DE, DT, LB, S, it's all a mess right now

oline isn't perfect, but it's not as bad as a bunch of other teams. we have no real depth though.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Perhaps the O-line will play better when we establish an identity as a team. I'm trying to figure out whether we want to be a running team, or a passing team, and the O-line suffers as a result. The running plays we utilize this year are not the same plays Portis ran us to the playoffs with last year. I'm not so sure our linemen are the type to run many of the stretch plays Saunders likes to utilize. In KC he had lighter, active linemen with more of an ability to run to the edge. I don't know that we nedd to change personel as much as we need to change the method of attack.

In defense of Samuels I think in most games he acredits himself well. He did a great job today of riding his man far to the outside, and beyond the pocket. The only time he has trouble is with the speed rushers, as do most OT. He had trouble with Dwight Freeney mainly because of his speed. I think once the team actually establishes itself as arunning team once again, the pass blocking will improve, however they must commit to the run, and stay with it. We had far too few rushing atempts today.

Is your real name Bill Maas that exactly what he said yesterday.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

What? Do you mean passing attempts?

In any case, going into the final drive, the Skins had run 44 plays. 22 Runs and 22 passes. Pretty balanced, don't you think?

It all comes back to the D. The D let the Bucs control the game with the run. 54 offensive plays in a game is terrible.

Our converting only 4/16 3rd downs did not help either.

[The Zimmermans]

We were also hurt severely by portis' absence, bett's attempting to pick up the blitz is like the redskins trying to stop the run, IT DOESNT HAPPEN

[The Zimmermans]

i CAN'T STAND when people say "we win when we get 25+ rush attempts", it's like saying "We win when we get to kneel the ball down at the end of the game". Rush attempt are a result of a win in general, if you get a lead you can run the ball and kill the clock, regardless of success in the run game. However, when you are losing, you can't run the ball too much if it's not gaining yardage, cause you waste downs and put too much pressure on your QB on third down. I think we might have been able to win that game if we actually passed more on 2nd down and threw more on third. Plus our defense gave up about 40 minutes in possession, so the offense only got the ball like three times in the second half, so F the run, especially if your gonna give it to BETTS. However, I fully support the run if we give the ball to Duckett more, that really bruises up the opposing team, they did it with allstott, we should have answered right back with a heavy dose of duckett, neither team could tackle those big guys.