Offseason personnel strategy

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-28-2006, 01:38 PM

A lot of people on the boards are talking about Rocky taking over the middle this offseason and moving Marshall back to the outside where he was when they were third in the league in defense.

Big C · 11-28-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

A lot of people on the boards are talking about Rocky taking over the middle this offseason and moving Marshall back to the outside where he was when they were third in the league in defense.

i would be pleased with that, but id also like to see what briggs and fletcher are going for. fletcher is an absolute beast, and knows the williams system i believe, both were together in buffalo

mason4415 · 11-30-2006, 11:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Big C

i would be pleased with that, but id also like to see what briggs and fletcher are going for. fletcher is an absolute beast, and knows the williams system i believe, both were together in buffalo

if that's the case, he won't want to come here!

TheMalcolmConnection · 11-28-2006, 01:49 PM

I only want one big offseason signing. I'd rather look within since Rocky played that position in college.

I'm still on the Nate Clements bandwagon for our big FA move, and that is all.

Then we ACTUALLY SAVE draft picks and draft DE, OL and more DL.

REDSKIN2 · 11-28-2006, 02:29 PM

I think a lot of those points are right on the $. The scary part for me is that I hope to dear God that the $ we wasted in WAY overpaying for AA and Carter do not prevent us from being able to sign the likes of Dockery Fox Sellers, Cooley, and either Betts or Duckett. These mistakes may make signing our internal core very difficult in 07 and 08.

Drift Reality · 11-28-2006, 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by REDSKIN2

I think a lot of those points are right on the $. The scary part for me is that I hope to dear God that the $ we wasted in WAY overpaying for AA and Carter do not prevent us from being able to sign the likes of Dockery Fox Sellers, Cooley, and either Betts or Duckett. These mistakes may make signing our internal core very difficult in 07 and 08.

I actually think we could cut or trade Archuleta without that much of a problem. According to CC's cap sheets, we had about 16 million in dead cap room this year and we still managed to get all those free agents signed. I think if there is one thing I don't worry about, it is the Redskins ability to work the cap.

70Chip · 11-28-2006, 02:02 PM

The Scouting Department is divided into two parts. College scouting and pro scouting.

The college scouts have done a great job, IMO. Golston, Taylor, Cooley, Campbell etc. The ones we complain about haven't gotten to play (Mcintosh) or have been injury plagued (Manuel White).

The pro scouts have been more of a mixed bag. Marcus Washington was good call. I think Randle-El has done what I expected. Those expecting 80 receptions were unrealistic. That's why they signed Lloyd as well. I thought Lloyd was soft at first, but he seems to be playing with more confidence now. Defensively, Archeleta and Carter look like mistakes at this point. I think Carter may be redeemable if he is used as a 3rd down rusher, but Arch was just a case of poor evaluation. You can't play safety in this league if you can't keep up with Jason Whitten. He just doesn't have the physical skills to play the position. The scouts need to be able to see that and say, "Hold on a minute." Perhaps they did and the coaches overruled them. We don't know.

But I don't think we can say at this point that we need to completely overhaul the personell department. I think we will be surprised by how much talent there is on this team these next few weeks. It gives me hope when I see Golston, Fox, Rogers, Mcintosh, and Holdman play like they did against Carolina. Perhaps they are getting into a groove and will get on another run.

One thing to watch in young players is how they show up in road games. I am firm believer that winning on the road is the difference between playoff teams and average teams in the NFL. We have been bad on the road. We have two road games left and we need to overcome that adversity if we are to get going. I know it's early to talk like that, but even if it doesn't happen for us this year, we can still learn who's who by watching how those young guys play in the away games.

BTW, we are 3-2 at home this year. 1-5 on the road.

GTripp0012 · 11-28-2006, 02:25 PM

I don't even want to write Archuleta off yet, he was brought in for a reason, and if Gregg Williams gets the defense to start pressuring the QB, why couldn't he play the safety opposite Taylor?

70Chip · 11-28-2006, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't even want to write Archuleta off yet, he was brought in for a reason, and if Gregg Williams gets the defense to start pressuring the QB, why couldn't he play the safety opposite Taylor?

I don't think our goal should be to build the defense back up to the point where we can get away with having him in the game. Fox is better. I respect your defense of Brunell but no one will buy it with A.A. He's done. Too slow.

GTripp0012 · 11-28-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 70Chip

I don't think our goal should be to build the defense back up to the point where we can get away with having him in the game. Fox is better. I respect your defense of Brunell but no one will buy it with A.A. He's done. Too slow.

Not trying to defend Archuleta. He's been horrible this year.

Just looking at his contract and saying it would be a tough thing to write him off. If he played like he did in St. Louis (which he is obviously capable of), he'd at least be starting for us.

hooskins · 11-28-2006, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Not trying to defend Archuleta. He's been horrible this year.

Just looking at his contract and saying it would be a tough thing to write him off. If he played like he did in St. Louis (which he is obviously capable of), he'd at least be starting for us.

I agree, I think you don't get rid of him just yet. Give him a chance, especially because of how much we have paid for him. I think the Friend article is accurate in that, we shouldn't make him the scapegoat.

Like I have said before, AA was in demand at Chicago, and he was gonna get big bucks there too. I don't think they are stupid at Chicago, and they must have seen something in him. Let's just give him one more season, and then go from there.

SmootSmack · 11-28-2006, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hooskins

I agree, I think you don't get rid of him just yet. Give him a chance, especially because of how much we have paid for him. I think the Friend article is accurate in that, we shouldn't make him the scapegoat.

Like I have said before, AA was in demand at Chicago, and he was gonna get big bucks there too. I don't think they are stupid at Chicago, and they must have seen something in him. Let's just give him one more season, and then go from there.

Archuleta could end up being just another Cris Dishman though.

Longtimefan · 11-29-2006, 09:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't even want to write Archuleta off yet, he was brought in for a reason, and if Gregg Williams gets the defense to start pressuring the QB, why couldn't he play the safety opposite Taylor?

My main frustration with the signing of AA is that I cannot understand how we could have been so wrong about him. There is a human side to the game as well as $'s and physical ability. Much was expected of AA because of his contract which I believe he was overwhelmed by, coupled with moving to a different team after playing his entire career in St. Louis. I would hold serve on AA, and allow him the opportunity to regain his confidence, and try to find a place for him is some capacity on the defense. His contract is not favorable for release, so I would like to see him have the opportunity to gather himself before I make the determination that he's completely useless. It could be that he would consider reworking his contract and remaining with the team, unless he feels he dosen't want to be further humiliated.

redsk1 · 11-28-2006, 04:22 PM

The Skins FO has to seriously reconsider their "philosophy" when it comes to the draft and free agency. Alot of us were kind of uneasy about the way this team throws away draft picks like they don't count. I think alot of us were uneasy about the free agents that come in that make more $ than some of our core players. It's ok to add a couple free agents but add where we need to add. Did we really need 2 high priced WR's this past offseason? No (especially when we don't get the ball to them). Our FO/coaches or whoever makes the decisions just doesn't get it sometimes. The decision process in general needs to be fixed.

That Guy · 11-28-2006, 06:45 PM

first - mccune is a workout warrior and he's 28, that's not young. when we drafted him he was already 26.

your contract numbers - pierce got a 30mill 6 year deal, no idea where you got the 7mill figure.

also, saying you'd like to trade down is nice, but which players are you looking at? there's gotta be someone there worth taking, and trading down does (i believe) end up giving denver the option to swap picks if we end up with a low first rounder.

we'll get NOTHING for archuleta or carter - even as 2year vet min deals for the new team they're not worth much above the 5th round, and each would result in a huge cap hit.

don't fantasize too much about smoot

he's the nickel corner in minnesota now and he'd have cost more than springs. it was a good call to let him go, though we could have signed andre dyson for the same amount as rogers and still drafted merriman (dyson isn't a big tackler though, so GW was probably down on that

).

I don't think carter is solid at DE either. last game, wynn and daniels were started (and surprise, we played better on the DL), with carter coming in as a situational guy.

personally, i'm still riding the gaines/clements bandwagon.

11-28-2006, 01:38 PM	#1
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Offseason personnel strategy A lot of people on the boards are talking about Rocky taking over the middle this offseason and moving Marshall back to the outside where he was when they were third in the league in defense. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-28-2006, 01:49 PM	#4
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 19,264	Re: Offseason personnel strategy I only want one big offseason signing. I'd rather look within since Rocky played that position in college. I'm still on the Nate Clements bandwagon for our big FA move, and that is all. Then we ACTUALLY SAVE draft picks and draft DE, OL and more DL. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

11-28-2006, 02:29 PM	#5
REDSKIN2 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 33	Re: Offseason personnel strategy I think a lot of those points are right on the $. The scary part for me is that I hope to dear God that the $ we wasted in WAY overpaying for AA and Carter do not prevent us from being able to sign the likes of Dockery Fox Sellers, Cooley, and either Betts or Duckett. These mistakes may make signing our internal core very difficult in 07 and 08.

11-28-2006, 02:02 PM	#7
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 55 Posts: 3,048	Re: Offseason personnel strategy The Scouting Department is divided into two parts. College scouting and pro scouting. The college scouts have done a great job, IMO. Golston, Taylor, Cooley, Campbell etc. The ones we complain about haven't gotten to play (Mcintosh) or have been injury plagued (Manuel White). The pro scouts have been more of a mixed bag. Marcus Washington was good call. I think Randle-El has done what I expected. Those expecting 80 receptions were unrealistic. That's why they signed Lloyd as well. I thought Lloyd was soft at first, but he seems to be playing with more confidence now. Defensively, Archeleta and Carter look like mistakes at this point. I think Carter may be redeemable if he is used as a 3rd down rusher, but Arch was just a case of poor evaluation. You can't play safety in this league if you can't keep up with Jason Whitten. He just doesn't have the physical skills to play the position. The scouts need to be able to see that and say, "Hold on a minute." Perhaps they did and the coaches overruled them. We don't know. But I don't think we can say at this point that we need to completely overhaul the personell department. I think we will be surprised by how much talent there is on this team these next few weeks. It gives me hope when I see Golston, Fox, Rogers, Mcintosh, and Holdman play like they did against Carolina. Perhaps they are getting into a groove and will get on another run. One thing to watch in young players is how they show up in road games. I am firm believer that winning on the road is the difference between playoff teams and average teams in the NFL. We have been bad on the road. We have two road games left and we need to overcome that adversity if we are to get going. I know it's early to talk like that, but even if it doesn't happen for us this year, we can still learn who's who by watching how those young guys play in the away games. BTW, we are 3-2 at home this year. 1-5 on the road. __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

11-28-2006, 02:25 PM	#8
GTripp0012 Living Legend Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Evanston, IL Age: 38 Posts: 15,994	Re: Offseason personnel strategy I don't even want to write Archuleta off yet, he was brought in for a reason, and if Gregg Williams gets the defense to start pressuring the QB, why couldn't he play the safety opposite Taylor? __________________ according to a source with knowledge of the situation.

11-28-2006, 04:22 PM	#14
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Offseason personnel strategy The Skins FO has to seriously reconsider their "philosophy" when it comes to the draft and free agency. Alot of us were kind of uneasy about the way this team throws away draft picks like they don't count. I think alot of us were uneasy about the free agents that come in that make more $ than some of our core players. It's ok to add a couple free agents but add where we need to add. Did we really need 2 high priced WR's this past offseason? No (especially when we don't get the ball to them). Our FO/coaches or whoever makes the decisions just doesn't get it sometimes. The decision process in general needs to be fixed.

11-28-2006, 06:45 PM	#15
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Offseason personnel strategy first - mccune is a workout warrior and he's 28, that's not young. when we drafted him he was already 26. your contract numbers - pierce got a 30mill 6 year deal, no idea where you got the 7mill figure. also, saying you'd like to trade down is nice, but which players are you looking at? there's gotta be someone there worth taking, and trading down does (i believe) end up giving denver the option to swap picks if we end up with a low first rounder. we'll get NOTHING for archuleta or carter - even as 2year vet min deals for the new team they're not worth much above the 5th round, and each would result in a huge cap hit. don't fantasize too much about smoot he's the nickel corner in minnesota now and he'd have cost more than springs. it was a good call to let him go, though we could have signed andre dyson for the same amount as rogers and still drafted merriman (dyson isn't a big tackler though, so GW was probably down on that ). I don't think carter is solid at DE either. last game, wynn and daniels were started (and surprise, we played better on the DL), with carter coming in as a situational guy. personally, i'm still riding the gaines/clements bandwagon.

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