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SKINSnCANES · 06-30-2004, 06:27 PM

Well, what about this, to fuel another discussion. The Dolphins seem to feel they have plenty of talent at dline,a nd linebacker. But they really need an oline. People arent sure about Ogunylele yet so they odnt want to pay him big bucks. SO what if we traded Samuels, we got Ogunyele and their first round pick for next year.

ChillWill · 06-30-2004, 06:27 PM

As much as I believe that Samuels will finally perform up to his potential this season, his contract is rediculous. How many 8 million dollar tackles are out there. I guess it's wahtever the market will bare but his numbers are embarrasing given his performance last season. Maybe if anyone is dumb enough to pick up this contract, we should unload him. I take back everything good I said about Chris. You can get 2 good tackles for 8 mil, 9.6 mil in 2005, he's got to go. I hope he has a great season next year so that teams will view him more favorably in trade talks.

SKINSnCANES · 06-30-2004, 06:27 PM

because technically, we dont always have to be the team overpaying adn giving up draft picks, we could actually get a draft pick every now and then.

SKINSnCANES · 06-30-2004, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by ChillWill

As much as I believe that Samuels will finally perform up to his potential this season, his contract is rediculous. How many 8 million dollar tackles are out there. I guess it's wahtever the market will bare but his numbers are embarrasing given his performance last season. Maybe if anyone is dumb enough to pick up this contract, we should unload him. I take back everything good I said about Chris. You can get 2 good tackles for 8 mil, 9.6 mil in 2005, he's got to go. I hope he has a great season next year so that teams will view him more favorably in trade talks.

he did say he would redo his contract after this year though. he wants to get atleast one of his big payout years.

SKINSnCANES · 06-30-2004, 06:33 PM

this is from yesterday Miami Herald
Despite a published report indicating interest from the Washington Redskins, the Dolphins have no plans to trade unsigned defensive end Adewale Ogunleye at this time, a team source said.

The Washington Times reported recently that the Redskins offered a No. 1 draft pick to the Dolphins for Ogunleye.

''I am not permitted to discuss Wale's situation with other teams, nor do we feel like we have to,'' said his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. ``We have focused our discussions exclusively with the Dolphins. [But] I am well-connected within the NFL, and I've heard the report is accurate.''

Redskins coach Joe Gibbs has denied the Times report. The Dolphins don't comment publicly on trade rumors, but the team might consider a trade only if talks with Ogunleye don't progress during the next two months.

Negotiations on a new contract are not expected to intensify until closer to the start of training camp July 30.

''We're at somewhat of an impasse,'' Rosenhaus said. ``The biggest hang-up has to do with guaranteed money.''

Although Rosenhaus said he believes it's unlikely it would come to such a point, he confirmed Ogunleye would sit out either the first seven or 10 regular-season games if he doesn't reach agreement on a long-term deal. If a contract isn't worked out, the Dolphins must notify Ogunleye after the third preseason game if he will be suspended the first three games after he reports.

If the Dolphins take that approach, Ogunleye would report for the final nine games of the season. That would allow him to suit up the minimum six games needed to qualify for unrestricted free agency next offseason. If the Dolphins don't suspend him, he would report after 10 regular-season games.

''But we're a long way from that, and I'm very optimistic we can avoid that,'' Rosenhaus said.

• The Dolphins have had preliminary discussions on a contract for first-round pick Vernon Carey, and the sides have not exchanged offers. But agent Ben Dogra said he's not concerned. Serious talks are expected to begin after the July 4 weekend

ArrowsOverNFLEast · 06-30-2004, 06:35 PM

I heard on the radio today that dolphins rep said skins did offer #1 pick but dolphins are not willing to trade him. I heard nothing about a tackle though.

ArrowsOverNFLEast · 06-30-2004, 06:36 PM

my bad missed that last post

illdefined · 06-30-2004, 06:42 PM

man, no one wants Ogunleye in burgundy more than me, but not for Samuels. i want to muster an argument, but just...NO is all i can come up with.

does miami need a veteran QB??

SKINSnCANES · 06-30-2004, 09:08 PM

haha, well. Technically you coudl say that they do. QB is a big question mark for them.

Shane · 06-30-2004, 09:11 PM

There is no way I would make that trade. I believe in Chris Samuels. I throw out the last couple of years because of the system used - abysmally incompatible with NFL realities. Samuels will return to the Pro Bowl, possibly this year.

The fact is we can't patch every leak in this team overnight. There is always an Ogunleye out there, and if the timing and price are right, fine, sign him up.

Don't believe the baseless rumors. That agent Rosenhaus is trying to create a buyers climate for his client. You can't trust anything he says. The rumors are a lot of smoke signifying nothing.

Big C · 06-30-2004, 09:15 PM

Good Tackles are rare, and are vital to a teams success. I just am not as high on Adewale as u all are. I dont see why Bugel would let us trade him unless he saw something he didnt like at all

RedskinRat · 06-30-2004, 09:38 PM

I think I'm being taunted by a Rams fan. Forget I asked.

backrow · 06-30-2004, 10:01 PM

All I've heard Rat, is the rumors.

But we know the Redskins are interested in Ogun, and the Fins are not interested in paying him. Follow me here. Connect the dots to LDS (LilDannySnyder) and his willingness to get who he thinks we need.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. ....

That's a lot of dots!

skinsfanthru&thru · 06-30-2004, 11:05 PM

we'd need something with ogunleye in return for samuels cuz our player is playing for us while theirs is holding out. so the skins would have the leverage between the 2 teams if a deal like this were to go down. if the skins r even thinking about this then obviously Bugel has faith in someone to step in and play in the spot vacated if this trade wen through and he knows a little bit about 0-lineman.

MTK · 06-30-2004, 11:09 PM

I can't see Gibbs going for a move like this. He's not going to sacrafice one ounce of protection for his offense, even if it means picking up one of the better pass rushers in the league.

Samuels is a top 5 LT who really suffered under Spurrier's joke of an offense. He'll regain his Pro Bowl form under Gibbs and Bugel, I guarantee it.

06-30-2004, 06:27 PM	#16
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Well, what about this, to fuel another discussion. The Dolphins seem to feel they have plenty of talent at dline,a nd linebacker. But they really need an oline. People arent sure about Ogunylele yet so they odnt want to pay him big bucks. SO what if we traded Samuels, we got Ogunyele and their first round pick for next year. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-30-2004, 06:27 PM	#18
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	because technically, we dont always have to be the team overpaying adn giving up draft picks, we could actually get a draft pick every now and then. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-30-2004, 06:33 PM	#20
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	this is from yesterday Miami Herald Despite a published report indicating interest from the Washington Redskins, the Dolphins have no plans to trade unsigned defensive end Adewale Ogunleye at this time, a team source said. The Washington Times reported recently that the Redskins offered a No. 1 draft pick to the Dolphins for Ogunleye. ''I am not permitted to discuss Wale's situation with other teams, nor do we feel like we have to,'' said his agent, Drew Rosenhaus. ``We have focused our discussions exclusively with the Dolphins. [But] I am well-connected within the NFL, and I've heard the report is accurate.'' Redskins coach Joe Gibbs has denied the Times report. The Dolphins don't comment publicly on trade rumors, but the team might consider a trade only if talks with Ogunleye don't progress during the next two months. Negotiations on a new contract are not expected to intensify until closer to the start of training camp July 30. ''We're at somewhat of an impasse,'' Rosenhaus said. ``The biggest hang-up has to do with guaranteed money.'' Although Rosenhaus said he believes it's unlikely it would come to such a point, he confirmed Ogunleye would sit out either the first seven or 10 regular-season games if he doesn't reach agreement on a long-term deal. If a contract isn't worked out, the Dolphins must notify Ogunleye after the third preseason game if he will be suspended the first three games after he reports. If the Dolphins take that approach, Ogunleye would report for the final nine games of the season. That would allow him to suit up the minimum six games needed to qualify for unrestricted free agency next offseason. If the Dolphins don't suspend him, he would report after 10 regular-season games. ''But we're a long way from that, and I'm very optimistic we can avoid that,'' Rosenhaus said. • The Dolphins have had preliminary discussions on a contract for first-round pick Vernon Carey, and the sides have not exchanged offers. But agent Ben Dogra said he's not concerned. Serious talks are expected to begin after the July 4 weekend __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-30-2004, 09:08 PM	#24
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	haha, well. Technically you coudl say that they do. QB is a big question mark for them. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

06-30-2004, 10:01 PM	#28
backrow The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: 36.28 x 76.22 Age: 73 Posts: 1,812	All I've heard Rat. All I've heard Rat, is the rumors. But we know the Redskins are interested in Ogun, and the Fins are not interested in paying him. Follow me here. Connect the dots to LDS (LilDannySnyder) and his willingness to get who he thinks we need.............................................. .................................................. .................................................. .................................................. .... That's a lot of dots! __________________ '37, '42, '83, '88, '92. Championship!

06-30-2004, 06:27 PM	#17
ChillWill Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2004 Age: 69 Posts: 151	As much as I believe that Samuels will finally perform up to his potential this season, his contract is rediculous. How many 8 million dollar tackles are out there. I guess it's wahtever the market will bare but his numbers are embarrasing given his performance last season. Maybe if anyone is dumb enough to pick up this contract, we should unload him. I take back everything good I said about Chris. You can get 2 good tackles for 8 mil, 9.6 mil in 2005, he's got to go. I hope he has a great season next year so that teams will view him more favorably in trade talks.

06-30-2004, 06:35 PM	#21
ArrowsOverNFLEast Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ASHBURN Posts: 4	I heard on the radio today that dolphins rep said skins did offer #1 pick but dolphins are not willing to trade him. I heard nothing about a tackle though.

06-30-2004, 06:36 PM	#22
ArrowsOverNFLEast Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: ASHBURN Posts: 4	my bad missed that last post

06-30-2004, 06:42 PM	#23
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	man, no one wants Ogunleye in burgundy more than me, but not for Samuels. i want to muster an argument, but just...NO is all i can come up with. does miami need a veteran QB??

06-30-2004, 09:11 PM	#25
Shane Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 277	There is no way I would make that trade. I believe in Chris Samuels. I throw out the last couple of years because of the system used - abysmally incompatible with NFL realities. Samuels will return to the Pro Bowl, possibly this year. The fact is we can't patch every leak in this team overnight. There is always an Ogunleye out there, and if the timing and price are right, fine, sign him up. Don't believe the baseless rumors. That agent Rosenhaus is trying to create a buyers climate for his client. You can't trust anything he says. The rumors are a lot of smoke signifying nothing.

06-30-2004, 09:15 PM	#26
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	Good Tackles are rare, and are vital to a teams success. I just am not as high on Adewale as u all are. I dont see why Bugel would let us trade him unless he saw something he didnt like at all

06-30-2004, 09:38 PM	#27
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	I think I'm being taunted by a Rams fan. Forget I asked.

06-30-2004, 11:05 PM	#29
skinsfanthru&thru Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 44 Posts: 3,813	we'd need something with ogunleye in return for samuels cuz our player is playing for us while theirs is holding out. so the skins would have the leverage between the 2 teams if a deal like this were to go down. if the skins r even thinking about this then obviously Bugel has faith in someone to step in and play in the spot vacated if this trade wen through and he knows a little bit about 0-lineman.

06-30-2004, 11:09 PM	#30
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	I can't see Gibbs going for a move like this. He's not going to sacrafice one ounce of protection for his offense, even if it means picking up one of the better pass rushers in the league. Samuels is a top 5 LT who really suffered under Spurrier's joke of an offense. He'll regain his Pro Bowl form under Gibbs and Bugel, I guarantee it.

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