Broncos interested in Portis?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mc2guy

Fair enough, but the NFL is an owners league. Players have little or no leverage to get fair pay other than to request a trade or to sit out. Baseball has an arbitration process that ensures that players are fairly compensated. Football players basically get screwed if they outperform their contract. Furthermore, teams also have the leverage when a player underperforms as the team can simply "cut" a player and not honor their contract to the player. It works both ways.

If contracts in the NFL were guaranteed, then I would agree with you that it unfair for players to renegotiate in the media.

I would agree with you if they got paid what a normal person gets paid. They get paid on potential, and they get paid if they get injured or under perform.
If they get cut, they still get the signing bonus.

I would like someone to sign me to a 5 year 35 mil contract with a 7 mil signing bonus. I will never play a down and I am still set for life. For LIFE! They get paid millions upon millions to play a game. They need to see themselves as lucky...not deserving.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I would agree with you if they got paid what a normal person gets paid. They get paid on potential, and they get paid if they get injured or under perform.
If they get cut, they still get the signing bonus.

I would like someone to sign me to a 5 year 35 mil contract with a 7 mil signing bonus. I will never play a down and I am still set for life. For LIFE! They get paid millions upon millions to play a game. They need to see themselves as lucky...not deserving.

In CP's situation (i don't know for sure w/out doing research) but he was most likely making 1/2 mill or so a year. Yea, good money but not enough to set you up after football, which is what most players want.

For example, Javon Walker, last year sat out of Packer camp b/c he was getting paid $400k a year approx. He wound up playing for GB and busting his knee up. Gone for the year and was able to come back and sign a FA contract. What if it was a career ending injury? Again, i see both sides.

[irish]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I would agree with you if they got paid what a normal person gets paid. They get paid on potential, and they get paid if they get injured or under perform.
If they get cut, they still get the signing bonus.

I would like someone to sign me to a 5 year 35 mil contract with a 7 mil signing bonus. I will never play a down and I am still set for life. For LIFE! They get paid millions upon millions to play a game. They need to see themselves as lucky...not deserving.

I know I may be in the minority but while players do get paid millions I think in a lot of ways they are underpaid. The NFL makes multi-millions from TV, merchandise, etc off of what these players do and while some do mkae big money (like your example0 the majority of the league does not. Also with how dangerous this game is they are one play from a serious injury and if they are lucky enough to play a long career end up living with chronic pain and disability the rest of their life. I dont know about you but my knee, hip, head, whatever is worth more to me than a few million $.

[redsk1]

This is nothing more than pure speculation. Its a writer throwing out possibilities even if they are remote. Everybody thinks that just b/c Betts had a great year that all of a sudden we're not going to need CP.

[12thMan]

It's funny how the Portis rumors and speculation are starting to come up now.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

It's funny how the Portis rumors and speculation are starting to come up now.

I think it's funny that in spite of all the sneaky double talk that has occured around the Redskins organization over the last several years, that there are still people that think there's no truth to this situation whatsoever.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I think it's funny that in spite of all the sneaky double talk that has occured around the Redskins organization over the last several years, that there are still people that think there's no truth to this situation whatsoever.

That's what's funny about it all. Two different news papers report similiar stories. Third time, well....

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I think it's funny that in spite of all the sneaky double talk that has occured around the Redskins organization over the last several years, that there are still people that think there's no truth to this situation whatsoever.

Every offseason there are rumors like this involving the Redskins and since Gibbs took over more often than not they have turned out to be false.

Try to name a big name free agent that hasn't had his name associated with the Redskins by the media at some point.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Try to name a big name free agent that hasn't had his name associated with the Redskins by the media at some point.

There's a difference between speculation of a big name free agent joining the Redskins and one of the few actual stars being rumored to leave the squad. Generally, when a big name is rumored to leave(Bailey, Smoot, Pierce, Arrington, Davis, Coles, etc.) it turns out to be true.

In fact, the only player in recent memory that I can recall who was heavily rumored to be traded and actually stayed with the squad was Samuels, and that was a few seasons ago.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

There's a difference between speculation of a big name free agent joining the Redskins and one of the few actual stars being rumored to leave the squad. Generally, when a big name is rumored to leave(Bailey, Smoot, Pierce, Arrington, Davis, Coles, etc.) it turns out to be true.

In fact, the only player in recent memory that I can recall who was heavily rumored to be traded and actually stayed with the squad was Samuels, and that was a few seasons ago.

Rumors to leave are one thing, rumors of other teams being interested are entirely different.

It all depends upon which side the rumor is coming from. This one is purely based on other teams wanting Portis, not the Redskins wanting to trade Portis.

[MTK]

He's not going anywhere.

[Beemnseven]

Objectively speaking, what is Portis worth to the rest of the league?

I mean, I know how we as fans see him -- face of the franchise, worth two #1 picks... blah, blah.

I can't help but to think that if you put yourself in the shoes of other general managers, he might look like damaged goods.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Objectively speaking, what is Portis worth to the rest of the league?

I mean, I know how we as fans see him -- face of the franchise, worth two #1 picks... blah, blah.

I can't help but to think that if you put yourself in the shoes of other general managers, he might look like damaged goods.

Damaged goods at 25 years old with three 1500+ seasons under his belt in this league?

If his contract was more conducive to trading him I could see a few teams have some strong interest in him.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Damaged goods at 25 years old with three 1500+ seasons under his belt in this league?

Yep. That's not how fans see him, certainly. But again, I'm speaking in terms of what smart GMs around the league might think. He had the broken collarbone, and the shoulder surgery. Not only that, I think there's still sentiment around the league that he could be a system back, flourishing only in just the right schemes.

Unless your name is Emmitt Smith, running backs generally don't last forever in this league with the pounding they take.

This is all to illustrate that I don't think a trade will happen anyway. And if Denver is truly interested, you can bet that the Redskin fans will be sorely disappointed when we don't get nearly what they think Portis is worth.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Not only that, I think there's still sentiment around the league that he could be a system back, flourishing only in just the right schemes.

I don't know if you are right but if there are people who think this then they are retarded. A system back who has suceeded in 2 different schemes over the course of four seasons? When does it become the back and not the system?