With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams!!!

Carnage · 03-12-2007, 04:57 PM

We pay Daniels and Wynn a lot of money for not very much production, and they are only getting older. It is rare that a pass rusher with this much production is ever available. He is light, but with Freeney and Peppers this definatly seems to be a trend.

TheMalcolmConnection · 03-12-2007, 04:57 PM

Was Carter the liability or was it Warrick Holdman?

JDALY27 · 03-12-2007, 05:05 PM

Carter started out very slowly. He really came into his own towards the end of the season though. He was not a liability against the run. He finished with 60 tackles and 6 sacks.

22 tackles and 3 sacks in the last 3 games.

I'm expecting him to be pro bowl level in 2007.

We have Griffin at DT and the new kid who looks good.

jbcjr14 · 03-12-2007, 05:06 PM

I think Carter really stepped it up at the end of last season. He seemed to have gotten very comfortable and had several solid performances.

GMScud · 03-12-2007, 05:15 PM

Malcom is right about Warrick friggin' Holdman with regard to run assistance, but Carter was still more of a liability than an asset in the run stopping department. Carter did step up his game as far as rushing the passer late in the season, but he got the nickname "Highway 99" for a reason. And I think Renaldo Wynn is gonna get cut...

jdlea · 03-12-2007, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

Malcom is right about Warrick friggin' Holdman with regard to run assistance, but Carter was still more of a liability than an asset in the run stopping department. Carter did step up his game as far as rushing the passer late in the season, but he got the nickname "Highway 99" for a reason. And I think Renaldo Wynn is gonna get cut...

I never understood why Wynn never got more of a luck at DT. He's not great at any position either position, but he could eat up space, I'd assume. However, none of that matters to me now, they should probably think about restructuring him rather than cutting him, IMO. I don't think they have enough depth to start cutting backups.

GMScud · 03-12-2007, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I never understood why Wynn never got more of a luck at DT. He's not great at any position either position, but he could eat up space, I'd assume. However, none of that matters to me now, they should probably think about restructuring him rather than cutting him, IMO. I don't think they have enough depth to start cutting backups.

From the depth stadnpoint I agree FOR NOW. BUT, if we can bring in a guy like Ian Scott, draft one of the sparkling DL talents in the first round, and hope Golston and Montgomery continue to improve, Wynn could be expendable. It's also important to note that Wynn has been asked to restructure to a $1.2M non-guaranteed contract, and if he doesn't he'll probably be cut June 1st. Cutting him would save us $2.5M!!

That Guy · 03-13-2007, 03:27 AM

adams has room for 15-25 more pounds, which, if he's willing to hit the weight room hard, could make him a much more complete player.

calia · 03-13-2007, 02:30 PM

I think there's a lot of upside with this guy. But one thing is clear: whether we sign Gaines Adams or Wednesday Addams, we have to figure out who we are on offense -- i.e., a Gibbs "grind 'em" team or a Saunders "mix-it-up" team. Our D was on the field way, way too much last year, and even the best talent will wilt eventually if you cannot sustain drives on offense. And without a beter offensive identity, it is unclear that we will do that.

In other words, players aside, the coaching needs to be better (never thought I'd say that of a Gibbs team).

EXoffender · 03-14-2007, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Adams is too small. Liability in the run game.

Another Adre Carter. Good prospect but, not for us right now.

That Guy · 03-14-2007, 01:05 PM

the liability against the run was DT #2 (regarless of who was manning the position), carter, holdman, and marshall had a down year and got stuck on a lot of blocks do to blockers getting through to him.

GTripp0012 · 03-14-2007, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by That Guy

the liability against the run was DT #2 (regarless of who was manning the position), carter, holdman, and marshall had a down year and got stuck on a lot of blocks do to blockers getting through to him.

That may be true, but the big point is that we won't be able to play both Adams and Carter if we get them. One is fine, and gives us a solid pass rushing threat. In three years, Adams will probably be better than Carter, but theres just little value in such a move for our team in a time when getting all the value we can out of this pick is crucial.

On top of that, I think it was not only DT 2, but DT 1 and both ends. We just werent any good on the defensive line last year. I think we would have been much lower than 22 vs the run had we not had a secondary that thwarted all plays to the outside.

Gmanc711 · 03-14-2007, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I never understood why Wynn never got more of a luck at DT. He's not great at any position either position, but he could eat up space, I'd assume. However, none of that matters to me now, they should probably think about restructuring him rather than cutting him, IMO. I don't think they have enough depth to start cutting backups.

Espec. a guy like Wynn, who is a big locker room guy too I'd like to keep around. I didnt think Wynn was too bad in his role last year as a backup, he was servicable as a backup, but we cant be paying him what we are for that role.

Beemnseven · 03-14-2007, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by GTripp0012

That may be true, but the big point is that we won't be able to play both Adams and Carter if we get them. One is fine, and gives us a solid pass rushing threat. In three years, Adams will probably be better than Carter, but theres just little value in such a move for our team in a time when getting all the value we can out of this pick is crucial.

On top of that, I think it was not only DT 2, but DT 1 and both ends. We just werent any good on the defensive line last year. I think we would have been much lower than 22 vs the run had we not had a secondary that thwarted all plays to the outside.

We were much lower against the run -- #27 to be exact.

Other than that, I agree with everything you said. Apart from Golston, Montgomery, and Carter, our defensive line is old, and they suck.

GTripp0012 · 03-14-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

We were much lower against the run -- #27 to be exact.

Other than that, I agree with everything you said. Apart from Golston, Montgomery, and Carter, our defensive line is old, and they suck.

Alright, good catch. That 27 is much closer to league average than it seems though.

1) by losing all those games, we got run on more than an average team
2) teams like the Jets and the Colts were SO bad against the run that it skews the average towards us

But the point I'm trying to make is that if it wasn't for our secondary, we would have been much worse against the run. We probably didn't have a top 30 defensive line last year.

Our pass defense couldn't have gotten any worse, but our run D certainly could have.

03-12-2007, 04:57 PM	#16
Carnage Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 473	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams We pay Daniels and Wynn a lot of money for not very much production, and they are only getting older. It is rare that a pass rusher with this much production is ever available. He is light, but with Freeney and Peppers this definatly seems to be a trend.

03-12-2007, 04:57 PM	#17
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams Was Carter the liability or was it Warrick Holdman? __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

03-12-2007, 05:05 PM	#18
JDALY27 Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2006 Age: 45 Posts: 271	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams Carter started out very slowly. He really came into his own towards the end of the season though. He was not a liability against the run. He finished with 60 tackles and 6 sacks. 22 tackles and 3 sacks in the last 3 games. I'm expecting him to be pro bowl level in 2007. We have Griffin at DT and the new kid who looks good.

03-12-2007, 05:06 PM	#19
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams I think Carter really stepped it up at the end of last season. He seemed to have gotten very comfortable and had several solid performances. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

03-12-2007, 05:15 PM	#20
GMScud Swearinger Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Washington, DC Posts: 12,626	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams Malcom is right about Warrick friggin' Holdman with regard to run assistance, but Carter was still more of a liability than an asset in the run stopping department. Carter did step up his game as far as rushing the passer late in the season, but he got the nickname "Highway 99" for a reason. And I think Renaldo Wynn is gonna get cut...

03-13-2007, 03:27 AM	#23
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams adams has room for 15-25 more pounds, which, if he's willing to hit the weight room hard, could make him a much more complete player.

03-13-2007, 02:30 PM	#24
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 56 Posts: 3,539	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams I think there's a lot of upside with this guy. But one thing is clear: whether we sign Gaines Adams or Wednesday Addams, we have to figure out who we are on offense -- i.e., a Gibbs "grind 'em" team or a Saunders "mix-it-up" team. Our D was on the field way, way too much last year, and even the best talent will wilt eventually if you cannot sustain drives on offense. And without a beter offensive identity, it is unclear that we will do that. In other words, players aside, the coaching needs to be better (never thought I'd say that of a Gibbs team).

03-14-2007, 01:05 PM	#26
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams the liability against the run was DT #2 (regarless of who was manning the position), carter, holdman, and marshall had a down year and got stuck on a lot of blocks do to blockers getting through to him.

With the # 6 selection in the draft, The Washington Redskins select, Gaines Adams!!!

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