My final argument for Drafting LaRon Landry

[skins009]

Don't you people understand that Sean Taylor Landry, Ed Reed you could have all those guys, but they can't cover recievers for ever. There's something called spreading your talent on multiple levels in the nfl. On defense everything is connected. A lot of times cover safeties are only as good as the pass rush, other times you get coverage sacks from good safety play. But loading up at only one of the spots is just dumb.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by skins009

Don't you people understand that Sean Taylor Landry, Ed Reed you could have all those guys, but they can't cover recievers for ever. There's something called spreading your talent on multiple levels in the nfl. On defense everything is connected. A lot of times cover safeties are only as good as the pass rush, other times you get coverage sacks from good safety play. But loading up at only one of the spots is just dumb.

great point but we could find a late rd gem at d line or vis versa for that matter as long as i dont hear johnson, anderson, branch, or peterson and carriker on draft day i will be happy

[redskins5044]

at this point i dont know what they are going to do with #6 pick. but the more i look at it if we cant trade the pick i think we should pick the best defense player available. if its a d-lineman or safety will either really be able to step in and make our defense that much better. did mario williams make the texans defense any better? in my opinion i think we need a DT over a DE. if we had big body that cpould clog the running lanes and force a double on him that would free up carter on the edge and help our linebackers. from what i have heard branch is falling and not worthy or the #6. so if we keep the pick i would be happy with either okoye or landry. we havent heard much on these guys visiting redskins park so maybe we are leaning to one of these two

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

at this point i dont know what they are going to do with #6 pick. but the more i look at it if we cant trade the pick i think we should pick the best defense player available. if its a d-lineman or safety with either really be able to step in and make our defense that much better. did mario williams make the texans defense any better? in my opinion i think we need a DT over a DE. if we had big body that cpould clog the running lanes and force a double on him that would free up carter on the edge and help our linebackers. from what i have heard branch is falling and not worthy or the #6. so if we keep the pick i would be happy with either okoye or landry. we havent heard much on these guys visiting redskins park so maybe we are leaning to one of these two

hopefully landry

[Daseal]

i think the scouting report you copied was the same one from 2004 when Sean Taylor came out. someone is always the next Lott, Reed, etc. a great secondary looks rather ordinary with no defensive line

How well, minus one year, has our defense played with virtually no defensive line? Pretty well. Greg Williams depends on his corners to allow other players to attack the quarterback. While I'm not opposed to defensive linemen, I don't think we're handcuffed to any. I will have a huge grin on my face come draft day the second I hear Landry or Okoye called. I think, in my eyes, Landry has a slight edge.

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by dmek25

i think the scouting report you copied was the same one from 2004 when Sean Taylor came out. someone is always the next Lott, Reed, etc. a great secondary looks rather ordinary with no defensive line

and vice versa.....remeber when we had ryan clarke how good our dline looked then....i think we were 3 and 9 in defenses with a lesser line than we have right now.

[djnemo65]

From a cap perspective, I'm still not sold on investing that much money in two safeties. Seems like for all the elite safeties you mentioned - Polamalu, Reed, Dawkins - those teams have been able to get by complimenting them with lesser players. Even Taylor was at his most effective playing with Ryan Clark.

You need one athletic safety in the NFL today to cover tight ends and blitz while still being able to drop back in coverage, but do you really need two? Especially when your team has major needs up front? It'd be nice, but is it really a luxury we can afford at this point?

As for picking a Dlineman, yeah its no guarantee. Dline has the highest bust factor of any position. But does that mean we should never draft a dlineman in the first round again? At some point we are going to have to try and bring in someone who can make plays up there. Otherwise we are going to see a lot of the same problems next season.

[holcknowsbest]

i have been saying landry all the way back since i saw his combine numbers. i put those together with what i saw on the field and this guy is a flat out stud! plus hes put on 15 pounds over his listed weight of 203 at the beginning of the college season....this guy played corner as a freshman in similar attacking scheme at lsu, he understands coverage as much as anyone that we have right now.....hes a sure thing folks.....ut oh here come all the guys with "nothing is a sure thing"

[SmootSmack]

Well they may have found a diamond in the rough in Golston, but I don't think he's enough. If we could trade down and get a D-lineman and then someone like maybe Michael Griffin, that'd be cool

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well they may have found a diamond in the rough in Golston, but I don't think he's enough. If we could trade down and get a D-lineman and then someone like maybe Michael Griffin, that'd be cool

it would but i like landry too much i want him lsu fan go tigers man they might suck next year

[BrudLee]

And instead of a draft cap, we can give him this...

[GhettoDogAllStars]

How will another safety help stop the run? We were giving up ridiculous rushing yardage last year.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

How will another safety help stop the run? We were giving up ridiculous rushing yardage last year.

I think the idea is that it's similar to a "coverage sack" The defensive line just needs the secondary to hold the receivers a little bit longer

[GTripp0012]

Good post Ten and Six, but to answer your question, I would NOT trade the 6th pick for Reed/Polamalu. I would be confident in my ability to pick a dominant player on the DL, and I would make my selection without hesitation.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by TenandSix:Unacceptable

Could you and like-minded people like you wait a year for that DL help? I realize adding LL doesn't mean SB next year. But can you ponder him and ST roaming the middle of the field once we do get a DL? Just because our DL sucks next year doesn't mean they have to suck forever. Adding one DL to this team gives us decent DL, decent LB's, and decent secondary. That sounds pretty pedestrian to me if we're getting all "win now" about it. It is a virtual guarantee that LL shores us up in the secondary big time for the foreseeable future. Next years packages would be designed around what could potentially be an elite secondary. If you really look back to last year and ask Gregg Williams what hurt us more, DL or secondary, what do you think he would say? I think you might be surprised that he would tell you this unequivocally: Secondary. Go ahead, ask him. Kinda hard to stuff the run with five guys in the box.

The reason we can't wait any longer for DL help is that we should have addressed the DL in 2004. That was 4 drafts ago. It was overdue in 2005, and way overdue last year.

If we pass on DL help now that it, for all intents and purposes, is already too late as is, what's to keep us from passing on it again next year when another good DB prospect comes out? At what point do you just decide to get the defense on the road to recovery and stop looking at DBs? Is there any guarentee theres going to be a DL prospect better than Okoye next year?

I think GW may very well be forced to scheme around the strength of his secondary next year...but only because we haven't addressed the DL early in the last 3 drafts. He really doesn't have a choice.

Time to stop the bleeding.