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View Poll Results: Which would have been better, "my plan" or how things actually worked out? | |||
Ramseyfan's plan (yes I know hindsight is 20/20) |
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3 | 9.68% |
Dan Snyder/Joe Gibbs' plan (how the offseason actually played out) |
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28 | 90.32% |
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#16 |
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BTW, I did cast the only vote endorsing my plan vs. Snyder/Gibbs'. :thumb:
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he might not post every day, but man when he does what a post!
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and you have no gaurantees that you're choices would even be available... what if minn's offer wasn't on the table? how can you be sure they'd agree to the terms etc... its too hard to guess how 400 variables would shake out...
I personally do believe brunell got too much, but he is the best of the bunch, but I would do the portis trade everytime. Danny is paying over 10 mill for coaching isn't he? why skimp on the tools that the staff needs to win... there are serious personal decisions that will (most likely) have to be made because of how the FO has been operating, so Danny has to minimize the possibility of failures and take proven players when possible. All IMHO though. |
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I don't know but I,ll take Portis!! I do think that we paid way to much for Burnell!!! I would rather have signed Jeff Garcia for free. But over all I like our moves. ![]() ![]()
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I like your plan Ramseyfan, its very similiar to my post a few weeks ago on what i would have done. Building through the draft is clearly the best way to build a team in this era of the salary cap. A strong draft class coupled with a FEW kep free agent signings allows you to have a talented team that you can KEEP together for a long time.
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The only think i don't agree with is the number 5 pick for a 21 and 32. That is clearly not a fair deal. Now the number 5 pick for 21, 32 and Ty law and now were talking. AND you know the patriots were trying to get rid of law.
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Now for the list of Redskins that you reeled off that exceeded expectations LOL. They were drafted over the past 15+ years, and most were not even DRAFTED by the Redskins. Take a look at THIS much longer list of ONLY REDSKIN draftees from the SIX (not 15) years ending 2002 that did NOT perform: Greg Jones, Jamel Williams, Keith Thibodeeaux, Twan Russell, Brad Badger, Skip Hicks, Mark Fischer, Pat Palmer, David Terrell, Antwaun Ponds, Nate Stimson, Derek Smith (the OL, not LB), Jeff Hall, Tim Alexander, Lloyd Harrison, Michael Moore, Quincy Sanders, Todd Husak, Delbert Cowsette, Ethan Howell, Sage Rosenfels, Mario Monds, Rashad Bauman, Cliff Russell, Andre Lott, Robert Royal, Reggie Cloman, Jeff Grau, Jeff Scott. And this was just REDSKIN drafts. So lets look at a complete NFL 3rd round from a few years back, since a lot of your sure-things were in the 3rd round: 1 63 Travis Prentice Browns RB Miami (OH) 2 64 Lloyd Harrison Redskins DB North Carolina State 3 65 Giovanni Carmazzi 49ers QB Hofstra 4 66 Ron Dugans Bengals WR Florida State 5 67 Mark Simoneau Falcons LB Kansas State 6 68 Erron Kinney Titans TE Florida 7 69 Dez White Bears WR Georgia Tech 8 70 Chris Cole Broncos WR Texas A&M 9 71 Darwin Walker Cardinals DT Tennessee 10 72 Kendrick Clancy Steelers DT Mississippi 11 73 Ron Dixon Giants WR Lambuth (TN) 12 74 Steve Warren Packers DT Nebraska 13 75 Chris Redman Ravens QB Louisville 14 76 J.R. Redmond Patriots RB Arizona State 15 77 Hank Poteat Steelers DB Pittsburgh 16 78 Laveranues Coles Jets WR Florida State 17 79 JaJuan Dawson Browns WR Tulane 18 80 Darrell Jackson Seahawks WR Florida 19 81 Reuben Droughns Lions RB Oregon 20 82 Leander Jordan Panthers G Indiana (PA) 21 83 Damion McIntosh Chargers T Kansas State 22 84 Ben Kelly Dolphins DB Colorado 23 85 Gregory Wesley Chiefs DB Arkansas-Pine Bluff 24 86 Jeff Ulbrich 49ers LB Hawaii 25 87 Dustin Lyman Bears LB Wake Forest 26 88 Doug Chapman Vikings RB Marshall 27 89 Corey Moore Bills LB Virginia Tech 28 90 Nate Webster Buccaneers LB Miami (FL) 29 91 David Macklin Colts DB Penn State 30 92 T.J. Slaughter Jaguars LB Southern Mississippi 31 93 Byron Frisch Titans DE Brigham Young 32 94 John St. Clair Which half of that list provides the answers for their teams? Pick the second and third rounds from several seasons 3 or more years back (enough time to perform), and you will see that this extremely low success rate is consistent. It just ain't that easy to predict who is going to make it. Couch, McNabb and Akili Smith were picked ahead of Culpepper. Hell, Milt Plum and Ronnie Knox were drafted way ahead of Jurgy (4th round). There are massive numbers of examples.
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WOW!!!! This one is WAY out there. Go through any season since the NFL started, and list 50% of the drafted players that YOU think lived up to their billing. You will have a tough time getting to 20%!!!
Easy Hogskin, relax, this is a friendly discussion. The bottom line is you appear to disagree with me as to how to build a solid franchise. Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe in building a team via the draft whereas you prefer to do so in free agency. I think that the teams that have been solid in recent years are those teams that have the ability to draft well (i.e. the Patriots, Eagles and Ravens). The teams like the 'Skins of 2000 do not tend to last, cost a lot of money, and underperform. It's interesting, if not telling, that teams like the Patriots hoard draft picks while the 'Skins give them away. Andy Reid says that he pays for the future and not the past. Danny Snyder seems to pay for the past and not the future (although that might be changing). If you draft well, as the 'Skins have recently when they have picks, you build a solid base. Look at our recent drafts and for every disappointment, we will find a hidden gem. Don't look at just one round (i.e. the third), look at every round. Also, don't expect to always get a Pro-Bowler in the 5th, 6th, and 7th rounds. I think we've done a damn good job of drafting in the high rounds in the past decade and done a good job of getting good values from the mid-rounds whereas the majority of the free agents Dan Snyder has signed have been disappointments. Also, if you look back at my proposed draft picks, I did not even talk about rounds 4-7, I only spoke about rounds 1-3 with only one of my proposed picks in the 3rd round. So how is it that you are saying that I talked about a bunch of sure-thing third rounders? We have a pretty solid history of drafting well, so let's play to our strengths and build through the draft. Our track record for free agent acquisitions is much worse. Free agency should be used to add a few players who push you over the top, not to rebuild an entire roster. This is the NFL were talking about not Madden 2005, you can't simply disable the salary cap when it is convenient. So with all this in mind, I have a few friendly questions for you (I did not mean for that sentence to sound obnoxious). 1. Of our first round picks of the last few years, who has been a bust or disappointment? 2. Of our second round picks from the last few years, who has been a bust or disappointment? 3. Of our major free agency acquisitions, who have been busts and who have been great bargains? 3. Do you think that we have drafted or handled free agency better since Dan Snyder has been here? [B] |
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![]() its harder to screw up in the draft when you have 20 scouts and 2 picks too ![]() yeah yeah, his first years sucked, he still overpays... but i think our last two offseasons have been pretty solid overall. |
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![]() I think Greg Williams will improve our defense dramatically, but I don't think any coaching can mask the gaping hole we have up front. I didn't mean to imply that Williams isn't a good coach. I just think people are being too optimistic in thinking that he can make offenses forget that we have no front four. |
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