One Decision Overlooked!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by skinsfan242

I don't think that was a force out, the CB clearly has to prevent you from coming down in bounds, he could have still got a toe in and didn't so it was the right call.

The worst call of the Game was on Thrash what was he suppose to Do Woodson was trying to tackle him and he was trying to get free, absoultely game changing horrible call.

I don't fault the reverse call, remember sometimes on a wet field the defense goes one way a slips then he is off to the races, they just played it well.

I totally agree on the ridiculous double call on Thrash and Woodson. Woodson was holding Thrash with BOTH hands TEN yards downfield, and the ref also calls Thrash for PI just for breaking free??? That was a huge call that prevented the Skins from probably going up by 10 or 14 points early in the 2nd half.

I still maintain my stance against the reverse - the most likely guy to slip on a wet field when the reverse is called is the ball carrier, because he's going full speed and has to make the hardest cut to turn the ball upfield. Lastly, I hate it when Saunders has to revert to trickery when we're driving with momentum.

[mredskins]

^ Soup I agree with tricky stuff and why Moss to run it if he is injured????? Use thrash or B. Llyod. UGH!!!! I had this game count as a lost in my season forecasting but I still think it is a game we should have pulled out.

[irish]

I thought the spot was bad but the replay showed that Cooley didnt even hit the 1st down marker with the ball when he was tackled. It was a good move to not to challenge.

I liked the call to go for it.

[GMScud]

Amazing that for a man who is as supposedly brilliant as Gibbs, this kind of clock mismanagement has become a trend this time around. As a skins fan I am SOOOOOO tired of saying "what if."

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by Sean Taylor

Yeah but you have to be able to make those to be a wildcard team. I know its a double edged sword........

not true.....a wildcard team would not have attempted that.....maybe a 25% chance suisham hits that....and a 30% chance of a bad snap or fumble.....rabach wasnt even in

[Rajmahal33]

In defense of Gibbs on the decision to not challenge, that is really the responsibility of Saunders or someone up in the booth with access to multiple camera angles to make that call. It is really hard to know from the sideline that the spot was bad when it happened on the other sideline. It could have gone on Cooley as well b/c he has to let Gibbs know but i didn't see him running over to the sideline and pleading his case. Also given the lack of definitive markers to respot the ball (since he dove out of bounds), the call probably wouldnt have been overturned (as most spotting reveiws aren't) and almost certainly wouldn't have given us a first down. How is Gibbs supposed to intuitively know that the spot was bad and just throw away one of his reviews. I don't however defend the Timeout on 3rd and 7, that was stupid, but it seemed like JC was the one who wanted it cuz he was unsure of something. Also the play call on 4th and short was awful...RUN WITH MIKE SELLERS and if nothing else never throw an OUT (esp on a muddy field), throw a swing pass with ur FACE to the defender

[SC Skins Fan]

HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

[hooskins]

Yupp that is the only one I was not a big fan of.

Otherwise I think the coaches did amazing and the players just could not execute.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Rajmahal33

In defense of Gibbs on the decision to not challenge, that is really the responsibility of Saunders or someone up in the booth with access to multiple camera angles to make that call. It is really hard to know from the sideline that the spot was bad when it happened on the other sideline. It could have gone on Cooley as well b/c he has to let Gibbs know but i didn't see him running over to the sideline and pleading his case. Also given the lack of definitive markers to respot the ball (since he dove out of bounds), the call probably wouldnt have been overturned (as most spotting reveiws aren't) and almost certainly wouldn't have given us a first down. How is Gibbs supposed to intuitively know that the spot was bad and just throw away one of his reviews. I don't however defend the Timeout on 3rd and 7, that was stupid, but it seemed like JC was the one who wanted it cuz he was unsure of something. Also the play call on 4th and short was awful...RUN WITH MIKE SELLERS and if nothing else never throw an OUT (esp on a muddy field), throw a swing pass with ur FACE to the defender

Wrong, Sellers was just the first read on the play. McCardell was open and JC just messed up. He got scared and threw a quick pass.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Wrong, Sellers was just the first read on the play. McCardell was open and JC just messed up. He got scared and threw a quick pass.

Can we just ditch that play altogether? Gibbs ran the same swing pass to the flat on 2nd down at the goal line against the Giants. Campbell is not particularly accurate on throws to the flat. It reeks of Martyball - run a 1 yard route on 4th and 2.

[The Zimmermans]

For real......I'm gonna keep saying it....can anyone really prevent 275 pound mike sellers from gaining a yard and a half?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

i was so F****** angry about the play call on 4 and 2 though

AFTER A WASTED TIMEOUT!!!!!!!! LETS GIVE THE BALL TO BETTS

What doesn't make sense on that play is that they cleared out the backfield, why on 4th and short you don't have a RB in the backfield to make the defense respect the run is stupid, once you clear out the backfield you become 1 dimensional, play action in that situation if you decide to throw it is a big advantage to forcing LB's to commit to the run opening the short routes, the fact that we only needed 2 yards allows the defense to start jumping the short routes which in turn gets you a 1 yard pass on 4th and 2, and it's not the first time they have went with that set the last couple of years in those type of situations.

[scowan]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

HORRIBLE spot, I agree. But remember when Green Bay challenged the spot against the Bears last week. They moved the ball but GB still didn't pick up the first down and they were still charged a time out. I can't remember the reason (even though Mike Perrara gave his 'yes man' evaluation on NFLN last week). Would would the same rule have applied had Gibbs decided to challenge because Cooley probably didn't have the first down. The time out clearly made no sense. Not that it mattered the way the Skins couldn't move the ball at the end.

SC Skins, I understand your logic, but look at it this way, we challenge the spot, it gets overturned, the Skins pick up an extra yard or yard and a half, they STILL get charged a timeout because they don't get the first, but now you have 4th a 1/2 and not 4th and 2. Net result.... you gained 1 yard to 1 1/2 yards during the timeout you were going to take anyway? Ok, I saw this and thought this during the game, not now on Monday afternoon. I don't get paid millions to tell Gibbs to challenge, but someone does!!! Why don't they see these things that we all see?

[scowan]

Originally Posted by The Zimmermans

For real......I'm gonna keep saying it....can anyone really prevent 275 pound mike sellers from gaining a yard and a half?

Whatever happened to the 1982 Gibbs, Sellers wears the number 45..... scratch thru his number put "-1" on the back make him 45-1 and run right up the middle ala Riggins!!! I like that over a flare pass on a wet field any day.. Football is a simple game when the conditions get bad. Run run run!!!

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Can we just ditch that play altogether? Gibbs ran the same swing pass to the flat on 2nd down at the goal line against the Giants. Campbell is not particularly accurate on throws to the flat. It reeks of Martyball - run a 1 yard route on 4th and 2.

If you know anything about football you would know a play has multiple reads. Those are options, like in Madden. Remember all those routes?? The ones that are orange are primary reads, and the rest are nonprimary. So it falls on Campbell, because he is suppose to read the coverage and notice Sellers was not open.

I really don't think is any room to criticize the coaching staff on that call, all Campbells fault.