Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes..

SouperMeister · 10-22-2007, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

No one could have predicted our injuries, and Pete Kendall has done a damn good job in Dockery's place. If we gave him the kind of money Buffalo did we may not have been able to get Smoot and Fletcher, and may also have had a hard time giving Cooley the nice extension he totally earned.

I too feel that Kendall has been a fine replacement for Doc. Is Kendall signed beyond this season???

Meks · 10-22-2007, 08:06 PM

right...

Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor · 10-22-2007, 09:48 PM

For the tenth time this is not AL SAUNDERS OFFENSE. I know in KC he had one hell of an o-line but there is no way his offense should not be able to do at least half the same. One important thing he had Priest Holmes in the backfield. Clinton Portis, I thought would have just pick up where they left off but I guess this offense is not for everyone. I mean our receivers are so much better than what Saunders had in KC and they can't even get in the end zone. This is sad. Joe Gibbs has to give up the team and move into the Front Office and become more of a GM and not a coach. I can't wait until Greg Williams is the head coach and Al Saunders is his offensive coordinator. Remember Greg Williams said that we become Head Coach he will hire Al Saunders as offensive coordinator.

djnemo65 · 10-22-2007, 09:58 PM

Who else feels this thread title sucks?

Until we can get the running game going it's going to be tough. We don't have enough talent at receiver to just pass down people's throats. The offensive line injuries have been devestating, sure, but it's the NFL and people get hurt. We need to find a way to get those consistent 4 and 5 yard carries on first down again.

SmootSmack · 10-22-2007, 10:02 PM

Right, because Gregg Williams has proven to be a phenomenal head coach

(and now comes the flood of Belichick with the Browns comparisons)

redskins4lif · 10-22-2007, 10:03 PM

i say for saunders to start calling more down field pass plays instead of screens with the big offensive linemen that we have cause they can't move as great as the linemen that were in KC. And go back to the counter treys and staight ahead runs of the playoffs 2 years ago

redskins4lif · 10-22-2007, 10:06 PM

also i think they need to run some more spot passes to santana moss thats just a big play waiting to happen

memphisskin · 10-22-2007, 11:35 PM

the wideout screen, gone. screen passes in general, down if not out. counter tres to the right, out. play action passes, gone.

losing the right side of the line was devastating. but as i seem to recall in '05, we were 5-6 going into the last five games of the year and it took a total team effort to get us into the playoffs.

has anyone seen santana moss? and better yet, how much would u pay for a game worn Brandon Lloyd jersey? Spotless condition. I don't have one, just saying...

MTRedskinsFan · 10-22-2007, 11:53 PM

Reading comments on this thread and others it seems a lot of you are immersed in the details of this or that aspect of the offense, while the big picture remains sort of fuzzy.

I think the big picture is pretty clear: our offensive players are not committed to the offensive gameplan. It's clear in many ways, from the lack of intensity and lack of inspired-play out there to the piss-poor execution. I've also noticed the play-calling does a poor job of getting more than a few guys involved (says something about the predictability of our offense). I understand this is my opinion and nothing more but I've watched every game this year aside from the AZ game and constantly notice the total absence of a spark on offense. Our guys haven't bought into it - pure and simple.

As I said once before, the two big questions now are whether the distrust and malaise among the O spreads to the D (I doubt it, but the D is going to get pretty wore out carrying Gibbs/Saunders & Co. all fucking year) and secondly, HOW LONG DOES THE GIBBS/SAUNDERS ERA LAST (I hope not much longer)?

GusFrerotte · 10-23-2007, 12:04 AM

Either way these guys need to cut the shit and let the balls fly. Somebody in the Skins braintrust has throttled back the O in a major way, depleted O line or not. Simply put , we have seen flashes of brilliance only to be drowned with crappy play and lame play calling at times. We either are short or long with the air war, what about the 10-15 yard routes?

GMScud · 10-23-2007, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

Reading comments on this thread and others it seems a lot of you are immersed in the details of this or that aspect of the offense, while the big picture remains sort of fuzzy.

I think the big picture is pretty clear: our offensive players are not committed to the offensive gameplan. It's clear in many ways, from the lack of intensity and lack of inspired-play out there to the piss-poor execution. I've also noticed the play-calling does a poor job of getting more than a few guys involved (says something about the predictability of our offense). I understand this is my opinion and nothing more but I've watched every game this year aside from the AZ game and constantly notice the total absence of a spark on offense. Our guys haven't bought into it - pure and simple.

As I said once before, the two big questions now are whether the distrust and malaise among the O spreads to the D (I doubt it, but the D is going to get pretty wore out carrying Gibbs/Saunders & Co. all fucking year) and secondly, HOW LONG DOES THE GIBBS/SAUNDERS ERA LAST (I hope not much longer)?

That's an interesting angle and quite possibly a valid one. We're definitely ho-hum in our execution, and certainly lacking fire. I hope Campbell gets more vocal, or Sellers maybe. I wonder how much we miss Randy Thomas. I know what he can do physically, but I've heard a lot of players refer to him as the "heart and soul" of the team. We may miss him more than we think.

MTRedskinsFan · 10-23-2007, 01:51 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

That's an interesting angle and quite possibly a valid one. We're definitely ho-hum in our execution, and certainly lacking fire. I hope Campbell gets more vocal, or Sellers maybe. I wonder how much we miss Randy Thomas. I know what he can do physically, but I've heard a lot of players refer to him as the "heart and soul" of the team. We may miss him more than we think.

I don't know if Campbell is the vocal type - more a quiet leader. I like that a lot and hope JC continues to progress. Sellers is a good thought here though.

I'ver heard the same of Thomas. I don't really think Jansen was a huge loss, especially seeing him pushed around in the preseason and season opener (I remember several commentaters pointing this out). But Thomas was a huge loss - really hope he is back by first of December so we can reestablish the run game and get some offensive spark. It would also give us the best shot at 8-8 or better.

GTripp0012 · 10-23-2007, 03:18 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Our O was a drain on our team in 05 and our D was the only reason we made it to the playoffs. If our D was even average in 05 we would not have even come close to the playoffs.

That's not entirely true.

Our offense improved a little bit every year Brunell was here, and then we went way backwards this year. Back in 2005, we did a lot of things well. We were very balanced, had two huge playmakers, a very cost efficient offense, and could grind out the ball on the ground. We don't really have any of that now. Our QB is playing well, our TE is playing well and our LT is playing well. That's about it.

Portis and Moss both were in their primes back in 2005 and carried that team. Clearly, the leaders on this offense are Campbell and Cooley.

djnemo65 · 10-23-2007, 03:45 AM

Wilbon had an interesting take in his chat this week:The Chat House - washingtonpost.com

He said that the offense lacks a truly great player that it can rally around - an icon who can inspire and lead them. Campbell, Portis, even Samuels, these guys are really good, but there's no one who is truly elite; and there's no one who's firey or galvanizing. I think Chicago showed last year that with good defense you can do well with a ho-hum offense, but maybe you can't ever really be better than sufficient.

freddyg12 · 10-23-2007, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by djnemo65

Wilbon had an interesting take in his chat this week:The Chat House - washingtonpost.com

He said that the offense lacks a truly great player that it can rally around - an icon who can inspire and lead them. Campbell, Portis, even Samuels, these guys are really good, but there's no one who is truly elite; and there's no one who's firey or galvanizing. I think Chicago showed last year that with good defense you can do well with a ho-hum offense, but maybe you can't ever really be better than sufficient.

I disagree w/Wilbon's statement about Portis - he is charismatic & has been a team leader since he got here. I do agree w/him in that something is off or lacking. The O doesn't seem to have any personality.

What may be the problem is that Portis has been spoiled & favored by the coach for too long and now he's starting to really screw up w/fumbles. I think he even fumbled but recovered against AZ. A friend of mine made a good point, the fumbles may be due to lack of practice & preseason action.

Remember the 05 run, Portis became a team leader & carried the load. Now that things are tougher & the holes are narrower, I wonder how it's affecting his attitude and how his teamates react to him.

I know Betts hasn't done much, but they should give him more of a chance to establish a rythm.

10-22-2007, 08:06 PM	#17
Meks Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: South Jersey Age: 39 Posts: 5,648	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. right... __________________ R.I.P #21SEAN TAYLOR

10-22-2007, 09:48 PM	#18
Sean"Big Hurt"Taylor Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Queens Village, NY Age: 44 Posts: 349	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. For the tenth time this is not AL SAUNDERS OFFENSE. I know in KC he had one hell of an o-line but there is no way his offense should not be able to do at least half the same. One important thing he had Priest Holmes in the backfield. Clinton Portis, I thought would have just pick up where they left off but I guess this offense is not for everyone. I mean our receivers are so much better than what Saunders had in KC and they can't even get in the end zone. This is sad. Joe Gibbs has to give up the team and move into the Front Office and become more of a GM and not a coach. I can't wait until Greg Williams is the head coach and Al Saunders is his offensive coordinator. Remember Greg Williams said that we become Head Coach he will hire Al Saunders as offensive coordinator.

10-22-2007, 09:58 PM	#19
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. Who else feels this thread title sucks? Until we can get the running game going it's going to be tough. We don't have enough talent at receiver to just pass down people's throats. The offensive line injuries have been devestating, sure, but it's the NFL and people get hurt. We need to find a way to get those consistent 4 and 5 yard carries on first down again.

10-22-2007, 10:02 PM	#20
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10-22-2007, 10:03 PM	#21
redskins4lif Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: virginia Posts: 14	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. i say for saunders to start calling more down field pass plays instead of screens with the big offensive linemen that we have cause they can't move as great as the linemen that were in KC. And go back to the counter treys and staight ahead runs of the playoffs 2 years ago

10-22-2007, 10:06 PM	#22
redskins4lif Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: virginia Posts: 14	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. also i think they need to run some more spot passes to santana moss thats just a big play waiting to happen

10-22-2007, 11:35 PM	#23
memphisskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Nashville, TN Age: 53 Posts: 960	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. the wideout screen, gone. screen passes in general, down if not out. counter tres to the right, out. play action passes, gone. losing the right side of the line was devastating. but as i seem to recall in '05, we were 5-6 going into the last five games of the year and it took a total team effort to get us into the playoffs. has anyone seen santana moss? and better yet, how much would u pay for a game worn Brandon Lloyd jersey? Spotless condition. I don't have one, just saying...

10-22-2007, 11:53 PM	#24
MTRedskinsFan Registered User Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 359	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. Reading comments on this thread and others it seems a lot of you are immersed in the details of this or that aspect of the offense, while the big picture remains sort of fuzzy. I think the big picture is pretty clear: our offensive players are not committed to the offensive gameplan. It's clear in many ways, from the lack of intensity and lack of inspired-play out there to the piss-poor execution. I've also noticed the play-calling does a poor job of getting more than a few guys involved (says something about the predictability of our offense). I understand this is my opinion and nothing more but I've watched every game this year aside from the AZ game and constantly notice the total absence of a spark on offense. Our guys haven't bought into it - pure and simple. As I said once before, the two big questions now are whether the distrust and malaise among the O spreads to the D (I doubt it, but the D is going to get pretty wore out carrying Gibbs/Saunders & Co. all fucking year) and secondly, HOW LONG DOES THE GIBBS/SAUNDERS ERA LAST (I hope not much longer)?

10-23-2007, 12:04 AM	#25
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. Either way these guys need to cut the shit and let the balls fly. Somebody in the Skins braintrust has throttled back the O in a major way, depleted O line or not. Simply put , we have seen flashes of brilliance only to be drowned with crappy play and lame play calling at times. We either are short or long with the air war, what about the 10-15 yard routes?

10-23-2007, 03:45 AM	#29
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Who Else feels this way regarding offensive woes.. Wilbon had an interesting take in his chat this week:The Chat House - washingtonpost.com He said that the offense lacks a truly great player that it can rally around - an icon who can inspire and lead them. Campbell, Portis, even Samuels, these guys are really good, but there's no one who is truly elite; and there's no one who's firey or galvanizing. I think Chicago showed last year that with good defense you can do well with a ho-hum offense, but maybe you can't ever really be better than sufficient.

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