Are we 4-2 because of Gibbs, or in spite of him?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've won 4 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

We've lost 2 games because of Joe Gibbs, Gregg Williams, Al Saunders, Dan Snyder, Louis Riddick, Vinny Cerrato, Jerry Gray, Joe Bugel, Greg Blache, Jason Campbell, Santana Moss, Clinton Portis, Shawns Springs, Andre Carter, Khary Campbell, Rock Cartwright, and so on

Team effort. You can pin all the wins and losses on just one person.

However, one man signs all their checks so...We are 4-2 because of Dan Snyder

Well said.

[skinsnut]

I think Gibbs (and every other Redskin) should always get credit for every win.

Dan Snyder is always responsible for the losses.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I think this is a good thread. IMO we are 4-2 because of him, but NOT because he's doing a good job on Sundays. I think his premium on character and intelligence in players, along with his disciplined approach has greatly improved the stability of the team/organization. And as far as game preparation goes, he's second-to-none. He has gotten The Danny to almost completely disappear from the day-to-day stuff, which is also good for stability. And as great as Williams has been, does anyone think he or guys like Bugel and Saunders would be here if it weren't for Gibbs? Again, I don't think Coach Joe does a great job during the actual game itself. But as far as building a stable organization, a good locker room, and a great group of coaches, that's directly his doing.

ALL great points and I agree with you 100%!!! Aside from last season, Gibbs has put the Washington Redskins back on the NFL map!

And I'll throw this in about Al Saunders and the belief that Gibbs takes over playcalling or at least has his thumb on Al when we get a lead, there's a reason why Priest Holmes and LJ had so many carries and yards while he was there...Al does like to run the ball!!! It's just they had a stellar O-line in KC that made it effective, and ours has shown glimpses of that as well (when they're not on IR) and with the 2 backs we have, I think that he thinks they can get it done, that the backfield talent is better than the WR/QB talent right now. That being said, I think you'll see 60/40 ratio of pass/run this Sunday....provided the game is somewhat close.

[TrustinGibbs]

With the offensive line as it is we cannot consistantly run....or pass the ball. The only route to go is ultra conservative and rely on the defense. If they call one pass after another or deeper pass plays to make the fans happy Campbell will spend the afternoon running from D-lineman or on his butt. The injuries to the offensive line are killing this teams offense at the moment. We have a total of one guy starting on the O-line right now who started last season...how many other teams would be 4-2 in such a difficult situation? Gibbs ball control offense relies more on a stout offensive line then most. Balanced O and ball control wins in the playoffs in most cases...this is a time tested formula for success.

Get the O-Line healtier or the back ups up to par and the offense will show some life. Until then do whatever you can to win ball games.

[firstdown]

Any time your the leader you get credit for wins and losses.

[irish]

In spite of Gibbs. I'd like to see Gibbs get out of the way and let AS do his thing.

[paulskinsfan]

I really think Gibbs influences the playcalling when we get a lead. I believe he steps in and dictates whether we run or throw the ball. Do I have any hard evidence of this? Nope. What really irritates me is how poorly the clock is managed and replay challenges are handled. For example, at the end of the Giants game I don't think anyone had a clue what was going on, it looked like a team that never ran a 2 minute offense.

[redsk1]

Originally Posted by SBprimetime

In every single thread I read Saunders is calling the plays, but then when we start doing shitty it's because Gibbs just decided to start calling plays at that moment and take our team down the drain. I highly doubt the Gibbs takes over playcalling at random moments and singlehandedly causes all of our second half collapses.

No one can make me believe that Gibbs doesn't have major impact on AS playcalling. JG may not call the plays but he controls the theme of the game, no doubt.

I say let Al free. We brought him here, let him do his thing.

We're 4-2 b/c of both.

[BDBohnzie]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

We've won 4 games because of ... Shawns Springs...

We've lost 2 games because of ... Shawns Springs...

Sorry Double S, had to do it...

It's a collective effort among coaches, players and other staff. Everyone is held accountable, so why single one person out, even if it's the head coach? Just be glad to be 4-2, and not 0fer like the 'phins and Rams.

[MTK]

Personally I doubt that Gibbs overrules Saunder's play calling during a game, if he does I think it's pretty rare. Does he influence the game plan heading into the game? Of course, after all he is still heavily involved with the offense.

And as someone already pointed out, despite Saunders' reputation as being this high flying offensive guru, his offenses have produced some pretty hearty running games over the years, and that's one of the reasons that Gibbs went out and recruited Saunders.

[freddyg12]

Gibbs has got the organization on the right track, even Peter King agrees w/that.

Let's be happy that he's brought some stability & although we got our hopes up after the 05 playoffs & thought we had a contender, things take a while. He's helped to undo some bad moves & bad practices. Of course, he also had a hand in moves like getting B.Loyd, but I'll take that along w/the positives.

I share the feeling of many here that Gibbs seems too worried about losing leads which has in turn led to doing just that. I think he'll see the light w/the situation now though. This o-line is better at pass blocking than run blocking. JC is a good qb & we have a decent wr corps & nice TE.

I expect to see the ball in the air a lot on sunday. We'll set up the run w/the pass like we did in Detroit. That's our only hope IMO. I'd be absolutely shocked if we could pound the ball on NE in the first half.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

For those of you who want Gibbs to let Saunders have complete autonomy in the offensive gameplanning, do you remember when he first came here and they were running about thirty reverses a game? Gibbs is the overwhelming yin to Saunder's yang.

Yes, I said yang, not wang.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

For those of you who want Gibbs to let Saunders have complete autonomy in the offensive gameplanning, do you remember when he first came here and they were running about thirty reverses a game? Gibbs is the overwhelming yin to Saunder's yang.

Yes, I said yang, not wang.

I could go for that gameplan against NE.

Randel El, Moss if he holds onto the ball, Portis, heck even Lloyd could run those plays well.

On the other plays, we either throw long bombs or hand it to Big Mike.

[Monkeydad]

Oh, Because of Gibbs is my answer.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Buster

I could go for that gameplan against NE.

Randel El, Moss if he holds onto the ball, Portis, heck even Lloyd could run those plays well.

On the other plays, we either throw long bombs or hand it to Big Mike.

I would actually really like Sellers to get a good amount of carries. I'm talking maybe 10-15.