Sunra To Gibbs: Turn Jason Campbell Loose!

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

NE's one weakness has been the run game. Look at the stats. While somewhat skewed b/c once they are way out in front they don't need to fret the runs, opponents have run well on them even early in the game. If our damn patchwork OLine lets us run on them and we can keep their passing game from rampaging, we can win this game.

All you guys calling for the pass first are playing into NE's hands and out of our strengths. Get into a shoot out and 1) We are fighting with a derringer to their MAC-10 and 2) You weaken our strength (defense) by keeping it out on the field - you know like in the New York, Green Bay and Arizona game.

Good ball control drives that end in scores and sound defense that doesn't give up the big play - that's how we were built to win and that's how we can win if we execute well.

I am not saying run run run but I am saying that, if we give up on the run, we will lose. If we pound it and mix in the passing, we can win. In fact, if this team plays the kind of game it was built to play and does it well - we WILL win.

I'm not sure if ranked 9th in the run D is really a weakness but its the weakness point of their D if thats what we want to call it.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

NE's one weakness has been the run game. Look at the stats. While somewhat skewed b/c once they are way out in front they don't need to fret the runs, opponents have run well on them even early in the game. If our damn patchwork OLine lets us run on them and we can keep their passing game from rampaging, we can win this game.

All you guys calling for the pass first are playing into NE's hands and out of our strengths. Get into a shoot out and 1) We are fighting with a derringer to their MAC-10 and 2) You weaken our strength (defense) by keeping it out on the field - you know like in the New York, Green Bay and Arizona game.

Good ball control drives that end in scores and sound defense that doesn't give up the big play - that's how we were built to win and that's how we can win if we execute well.

I am not saying run run run but I am saying that, if we give up on the run, we will lose. If we pound it and mix in the passing, we can win. In fact, if this team plays the kind of game it was built to play and does it well - we WILL win.

My main point was to allow JC to pass throughout four quarters as oppose to relying on the defense for half the game. The conventional Gibbs run first has not worked up to this point with none of our RB's running for 100yds. And what is more deplorable is that none of our WR's have a TD. If you are Belicheck, what do you see as the main target to shut the Redskins down? The run. The most successful game we've had is against the Lions who were 2nd in offense. We attacked in the air on the first drive. We balanced the game out and played a balanced game. Unfortunately, we don't have the line to run the ball, so the pass has to be our main drive.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

My main point was to allow JC to pass throughout four quarters as oppose to relying on the defense for half the game. The conventional Gibbs run first has not worked up to this point with none of our RB's running for 100yds. And what is more deplorable is that none of our WR's have a TD. If you are Belicheck, what do you see as the main target to shut the Redskins down? The run. The most successful game we've had is against the Lions who were 2nd in offense. We attacked in the air on the first drive. We balanced the game out and played a balanced game. Unfortunately, we don't have the line to run the ball, so the pass has to be our main drive.

Totally agree.
I say, pass to set up the run too...due to our line problems.
Heck...use shotgun and do draws if you need to...why not go no huddle occasionally?

[JoeRedskin]

That number is somewhat deceiving. I think it was Bank's who wrote the article but the average gain per attempt was relatively high (in the 5-6 yard range) during the first quarter or so. Even Miami was averaging over six in the first half. However, once your down by a million, who's still running the ball.

Truthfully, given their leads, I am surprised that they are as low as number nine. I would have expected better as teams pretty much abandon the run and pass to try and catch up.

[JoeRedskin]

Just checked, the Pats have the 3rd fewest runs per game attempted against them. 21.
(Pittsburg w/ 20 and Tennessee(?!) w/17 have fewer).

The average gain is 4.4 which is tied for 24th.

Comparatively the Skins 23 have runs/game attempted against them which is 4th fewest (right behind the Pats).

The average gain is 3.5 and is tied for 4th w/ San Diego and behind Baltimore, Minnesota and Tennessee.

What all this means? not sure.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Just checked, the Pats have the 3rd fewest runs per game attempted against them. 21.
(Pittsburg w/ 20 and Tennessee(?!) w/17 have fewer).

The average gain is 4.4 which is tied for 24th.

Comparatively the Skins 23 have runs/game attempted against them which is 4th fewest (right behind the Pats).

The average gain is 3.5 and is tied for 4th w/ San Diego and behind Baltimore, Minnesota and Tennessee.

What all this means? not sure.

It means 2 things...teams dont run on NE because they are playing catch up
teams haven't run on the Skins because most of the team so far we played are passing teams.

Our D still hasn't proven they can handle a consistant running attack....nor has NE...I dont see either happening this week because of our crappy line and their injuries in the running game.

[JoeRedskin]

On passing D: we have about the 8th most att/game but THE LOWEST yards/att ratio. That's a big stat. People pass against us alot but don't have big success.

And opposing passer have the lowest average passer ratings. (67.7)

Here is where I am getting the numbers:
NFL Stats: by Team Category

[JoeRedskin]

Checking Game stats, NE is third in time of possesion and +8 on turnovers.

All this just reinforces my belief we need to run it, hold on to it and take some shots. This is a solid team, we aren't going to trick a win out of them.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

The time has come to release the BEAST OF THE EAST. The fans are ready and the city is ready to see a consistent performance by the offense with Jason Campbell at the helm. But not the way we have witnessed in the last third and fourth quarters. Make all of the excuses you want, this man needs to make at least 40 attempts against the Patriots. It seems the more Campbell throws, the less INT's he has. No more conservative playcalling and depending on the defense to bail us out. Rather, stay agressive and in attack mode via 1991. It's time for some action!

If JC throws it 40 times it's going to be a long day for us. We are just not that type of offense yet. We just need to be more aggresssive than last week. But not too aggressive.

[Darrell_Green_28]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

If JC throws it 40 times it's going to be a long day for us. We are just not that type of offense yet. We just need to be more aggresssive than last week. But not too aggressive.

Now if he throws it 40 times and completes 30 for 4 tds and no ints that would be great.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

Now if he throws it 40 times and completes 30 for 4 tds and no ints that would be great.

That's the kind of optimism we need to hear.

[Daseal]

JoeRedskin -- I must say I disagree. I want a shootout. That would assume we can actually score points, unfortunately this isn't the case once the 2nd half hits. If we want to beat NE, we have to score. We have a defense that will be able to hold NE a bit, but we can't rely on them to win the game. We need to score points. I feel we'll have an easier time passing with a quick passing game rather than pounding our heads into a wall with a beatup line and running it.

I'm not saying abandon the run, we need to run some -- but we need to make the conversion to what most teams in the NFL do now. Throw to setup the run. I want to see quick drops and passes by Campbell. Don't give their pass rush time to get there. 3 steps, ball out. Hit that, run the ball, high percentage passes. If we hit on our haunches and run a ton -- we'll get so far behind coming back is futile.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

2. Pass to set up the run? I never understood this. IMO, the main reason for running to set up the pass is: if your runs are not successful (i.e.: 1-2 yards/att), that still works to get the defense in the box. If you are not successful passing (i.e.: a bunch of incompletions), that doesn't help set up the run very well. You have to be successful passing to set up the run. You don't necessarily need to be successful running to set up the pass. IMO.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Two things I don't understand:

1. If our O-Line is in such disarray that we can't run-block, how is that a good argument for passing?

2. Pass to set up the run? I never understood this. IMO, the main reason for running to set up the pass is: if your runs are not successful (i.e.: 1-2 yards/att), that still works to get the defense in the box. If you are not successful passing (i.e.: a bunch of incompletions), that doesn't help set up the run very well. You have to be successful passing to set up the run. You don't necessarily need to be successful running to set up the pass. IMO.

Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

Several people has posted that pass oriented offense is not the Redskins, and we need to stick to who we are. Read any of the articles in the Post concerning the failures of the offense and it clearly points to the horrid playcalling and conservative style (run and grind it out) of Gibbs which has not worked and will not work if he continues to rely on the defense.
Jason Campbell has to be given the red light to make plays with his arm and feet. Gibbs must accept the reality that if eight are in the box, do not run the ball. Throw the ball short, medium or long range, but just throw the ball to someone with single coverage. That's why the Patriots are undefeated. This is not 1983. And no RB we have is Riggins or Joe Washington. We've got to adjust to what the defense is giving us.

Given the red light to make plays? Why does that not sound right?