Who's the third best quarterback in the NFL right now?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

What you left off of your equation with Peyton is that they have to get through the Pats to win a SB and if the Pats were not in their way I think he would have one more SB.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

Just to clarify, you're talking about the Bengals team and Chris Henry, correct? Because his top two targets never get into any legal trouble.

As for Peyton...I agree he has very good weapons, but I still think he's the passer in the league. I would probably take Tom Brady over him right now, simply based on his leadership and I don't think there's a huge gap in ability, but Peyton is still the best passer and one of the smartest players to ever play the game. While I may be sick of him because he's overexposed, (could he do any more commercials?!) he's still the best there is.

[BleedBurgundy]

I don't see how you can say Peyton Manning, a sure-fire first ballot hall of fame qb is overrated based on the fact that his numbers are better with Marvin Harrison than without. I think you might want to consider what Harrison's numbers look like if he had never played with PM.

[JoeRedskin]

In a recent SI player's poll, pretty much everybody picked Peyton as the best player out there. If the guys playing the game think he's the best, I'm not gonna argue with them.

[BDBohnzie]

IMO, this is how I would break it down.

Brady and Peyton are in a tier above everyone else. These guys constantly produce big numbers and have their teams in the hunt every year. Even if you have the tools to win big doesn't mean you always win big, it's how you produce with those tools.

The next tier is guys like Big Ben, Carson, Romo, Favre, Bulger, Hasselbeck, McNabb. Guys who are quality QBs, but are either missing that certain something, or haven't hit their peak yet. Favre is here because of his remarkable season this year, almost like destiny wants him to succeed again, and he's riding the wave.

Then you have the guys like Eli, Rivers, Kitna, Brees, Garcia, Garrard, Campbell, Anderson, Young, Culpepper, Schaub. Guys who show potential, or have had 1 good season but haven't followed it up with much, or are playing in a system that doesn't overexpose their weaknesses.

Then you have guys like Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Damon Huard, Kyle Boller, Brian Griese, Alex Smith. Guys who are serviceable at best, and won't ever amount to much.

Guys like McNair, Warner, Trent Green and Pennington kinda fit somewhere between 2 and 3. Quality QBs that are in the twilight of their careers or at least look like they are on their downward slope or the injury bug has certainly limited their potential. Favre would have been here last year, but certainly not this year.

Obviously, from year to year, a QB can change tiers...some get better (Favre), some get worse (McNair, Leftwich), and some are on their way up (Garrard, Anderson).

[MTK]

Originally Posted by rypper11

I know that I am in the minority with this, but I think Eli's brother is the most overrated player in the history of the NFL. Put any number of NFL QB's on that team with Tom Moore coaching and they have 2 or 3 SB trophies. Look at his numbers with and without Marvin Harrison. Big Ben has Heath Miller (not as good as Dallas Clark) and Hines Ward (no where near Harrison). Palmer is surrounded by guys who aren't as interested in football as they are in their Probation Officers (Bengals most immature team in NFL?). Favre has Jennings (not has good as Stokely or Gonzalez let alone Harrison and Wayne) and Driver and a running game that doesn't concern anyone.
Despite the fact that he should never have said it when still a teammate, Vandajerk was right in criticizing his QB a few years ago. I've never seen him put lesser talent on his overrated shoulders and carry them but I have seen his choking bring down a team with far greater talent than their talent.
And I'm not even going into his off field sexual misconduct problems (though with his penchant for groping asses you couldn't pay me enough to be Jeff Saturday. Kidding I know that it is just women he harrasses.)
Put him on the Giants and I think everyone would see who the better Manning is. Had the Colts gone Leaf instead the Chargers wouldn't have won any more SB's, we just wouldn't be overwhelmed with Peyton Manning commercials. But hey, then we wouldn't have had that funny SNL so....

Pretty worthless argument here if you ask me. Take away any QB's top target and they will struggle. Not sure I get the sexual misconduct stuff, I guess just a lame attempt to be funny?

P. Manning has one of the most impressive QB resumes in NFL history. That simply cannot be disputed.

[hail_2_da_skins]

1) Tom Brady
2) Peyton Manning
3) HOMO
4) Brett Farve
5) Big Ben

Honorable mention goes out to Derek Anderson, but it's hard to put him into the top five with only a half of season of production.

[BleedBurgundy]

Burgundy Glasses firmly in place, I ask: Has Romo really earned top 5 recognition?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Burgundy Glasses firmly in place, I ask: Has Romo really earned top 5 recognition?

I think a good argument could be made in either direction for him.

Personally I wouldn't put him in the top 5 just yet.

[BleedBurgundy]

The guy's played great, no denying that. I just think you need a little more time before you put him in with the elite qbs. I will say that he is well on his way unfortunately.

My Top 5 would be:

1 a Peyton Manning
1 b Tom Brady
3 Favre
4 Roethlisberger
5 Carson Palmer


I think Eli and Romo are on the same level right now, just a notch below top 5... I'd love to see JC get there soon.

[SmootSmack]

How exactly are we defining "right now" Because if right now means this season then I think Romo definitely has to be in the top 5.

[hail_2_da_skins]

With my burgundy and gold glasses removed, HOMO is well deserving of the three spot. He is producing every week and has done so ever since he has been the starter. I am definitely not a fan of his. I would love to see Andre Carter knock him into next week.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

The guy's played great, no denying that. I just think you need a little more time before you put him in with the elite qbs. I will say that he is well on his way unfortunately.

My Top 5 would be:

1 a Peyton Manning
1 b Tom Brady
3 Favre
4 Roethlisberger
5 Carson Palmer


I think Eli and Romo are on the same level right now, just a notch below top 5... I'd love to see JC get there soon.

No way is Eli "I Want To Be My Brother" Manning is at the same level as HOMO. Eli is way back in the pack. He is at the same level as Jason Campbell, trying to prove themselves.

[chrisl4064]

My top 5:

1. Brady
2. P. Manning
3. Palmer
4. Matt Hasselbeck
5. Drew Brees

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

How exactly are we defining "right now" Because if right now means this season then I think Romo definitely has to be in the top 5.

I mean right now as in, up to this point in their careers. That's why I'm saying he's not top 5 because I don't think we have the necessary frame of reference to make that arguement.