Peter King on Zorn Hire

Hog1 · 02-11-2008, 12:52 PM

Actually, I am excited that apparently Jim Fassel was the man barring a large unforseen interruption in the process. Apparently VC and DS were so overwelmed with JZ, they stopped the search, and gave him the job. To me that means he has the "IT"....and we did not settle for what has been termed a "retread".
HTTR

FRPLG · 02-11-2008, 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmpetert

What if he had hired GW as head coach? Or hired a GM to handle business more effectively and fired Vinny C? I cant stand negativism either, but he brings it on himself.

Again I didn't disagree but can you actually envision what he could have done that would have made just about everyone say "Gee that is the smart move to make?".

Hirign GW maybe but eventually we all have to ask ourselves why was this guy who is so obsessed with winning(even though he has sucked at it) so turned off by a guy who appears a shoe in for the job. Maybe, just maybe GW wasn't really the right guy for the job. Maybe it was obvious to those who actually know what is going on that it was a disaster waiting to happen.

I am just saying that nowadays most of the criticism towards DS is just criticism for the sake of criticism and usually has little to do with reality and mostly to do with bias and specualtion.

Wheteher he brought it on himself is irrelevant anyways.

Daseal · 02-11-2008, 12:57 PM

I love the Zorn hire. We have an ambitious coach that could be around for years upon years. While I also wouldn't have hated the Fassel hiring, I was certainly most excited about the offensive changes and Zorn. But looking around the league right now, how many very good teams have 'retreads' for coaches as many say. Even Dungy was fired from Tampa.

This is what we need. We have a coach with fire who is somewhat young. Snyder took his time, but I think he made the right choice. He can't hire anyone without criticism. If it were Cowher he's making a splash, if it's Fassel people complain that coordinators were picked first (IMO a decent gripe, but understandable seeing how long it took us to hire a HC.) Etc.

MTK · 02-11-2008, 01:02 PM

I agree that regardless of the decision he made, Snyder was going to face some criticism. That's the name of the game with him, he's every easy to take shots at, some deserved, some not.

jamf · 02-11-2008, 01:03 PM

If the redskins hired fassel, PK article would be about how the redskins hired the wrong guy and that Zorn is going to be the next superstar coach.

PK points out that Fassel was fired as OC while his team was 4-2. He forgets to mention that the ravens were last in the league in offense that year and the two previous years.
This man couldn't coach an offense to mediocre success and he is supposed to lead this team?

Give me a break, I would rather take a shot at someone with potential than give someone who has proven to be mediocre another shot.

SC Skins Fan · 02-11-2008, 01:03 PM

I guess the crux of the matter for me is the degree to which public reaction to Fassel swayed the decision whether to hire Fassel or not. What King and La Confora are saying is that it probably had some and maybe quite a bit. If that is the case I think that is troubling. If that did not have any impact then fine, they got their guy. With the sequence of events it is difficult to think that it didn't have some impact. I certainly hope Zorn works out and probably won't ever really know much about what actually happened. That's the last thing I'll say about the coaching thing ... on to the draft.

MTK · 02-11-2008, 01:10 PM

I think the initial fan reaction did make them back off Fassel and prompted them to go back to the drawing board. But maybe it was a good thing in hindsight. It gave them more time to evaluate things, and in the end they realized they had a qualified candidate already on the staff in Zorn.

I don't care how they arrived at the decision, and in the end it will be wins and losses that either vindicates this decision or proves it to be wrong. Time will tell.

jamf · 02-11-2008, 01:12 PM

Is it possible that DS and VC just didn't like Fassel enough to give him the job?
The media is always jumping the gun trying to release the latest information. No one ever officially said that Fassel was going to get the job.
It's just as likely that DS and VC just came to the conclusion that he isn't the man to lead this team.

DieHardSkin · 02-11-2008, 01:15 PM

Hasn't everyone (Media, Fans, Etc.) been saying for years that DS should hire a coach who is young, and has come up thru the nfl ranks, and does not necessarily have a big name. This is not a big splash name, but a calculated smart decision, and we still bash…..The guy will never get a break, and I don’t think he really cares.

JWsleep · 02-11-2008, 01:22 PM

My impression is that the Zorn hire was more about VC not liking Fassel, or at least that was JLC's thought.

I think this is on Vinny. My guess is that GW and Fassel didn't want to bow to the guy, and Zorn, as a youngster, was just fine with it. I think DS was into Fassel, and they are apparently friends. This is make or break for Vinny: either it works, and we are happy, or he's gone, and we are happy. Look on the bright side!

MTK · 02-11-2008, 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by jamf

Is it possible that DS and VC just didn't like Fassel enough to give him the job?
The media is always jumping the gun trying to release the latest information. No one ever officially said that Fassel was going to get the job.
It's just as likely that DS and VC just came to the conclusion that he isn't the man to lead this team.

I guess we'll really never know. Snyder and Vinny are the only ones that really know what the rationale was behind this decision making process.

People are going to believe what they want to believe. There are always two sides to a story though.

redwagonskins · 02-11-2008, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Again I didn't disagree but can you actually envision what he could have done that would have made just about everyone say "Gee that is the smart move to make?".

Hirign GW maybe but eventually we all have to ask ourselves why was this guy who is so obsessed with winning(even though he has sucked at it) so turned off by a guy who appears a shoe in for the job. Maybe, just maybe GW wasn't really the right guy for the job. Maybe it was obvious to those who actually know what is going on that it was a disaster waiting to happen.

I am just saying that nowadays most of the criticism towards DS is just criticism for the sake of criticism and usually has little to do with reality and mostly to do with bias and specualtion.

Wheteher he brought it on himself is irrelevant anyways.

Well, nearly 81% of the people on this site approve of the hiring which should be reflected on the decision making of DS and VC so that has to make you feel good

LandrySlice · 02-11-2008, 01:42 PM

I love the Zorn hiring, and if he doesn't pan out this season, Snyder will just fire him and wait for a new crop of better coaches next year. I personally think this hire will work out well, and Zorn wil become a legend here in DC!

SmootSmack · 02-11-2008, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by LandrySlice

I love the Zorn hiring, and if he doesn't pan out this season, Snyder will just fire him and wait for a new crop of better coaches next year. I personally think this hire will work out well, and Zorn wil become a legend here in DC!

What did Greg Novis have to say about it?

Longtimefan · 02-11-2008, 01:56 PM

There are plenty of markets around the US for an NFL franchise. Disrespecting your fan base is one sure way to wind up like our two Baseball teams that wound up becoming the Minnesota Twins, and the Texas Rangers respectively. The City was 33 yrs. waiting for the return of Baseball and that was only after a tug of war.

One would not think ordinarily that public opinion would in any way sway an owner's decision as to who to hire for a particular position, but in this case I feel it did. While Zorn's hire may not be popular with some, there are others who feel it was both good and right.

02-11-2008, 12:52 PM	#16
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Actually, I am excited that apparently Jim Fassel was the man barring a large unforseen interruption in the process. Apparently VC and DS were so overwelmed with JZ, they stopped the search, and gave him the job. To me that means he has the "IT"....and we did not settle for what has been termed a "retread". HTTR __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs*

02-11-2008, 12:57 PM	#18
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I love the Zorn hire. We have an ambitious coach that could be around for years upon years. While I also wouldn't have hated the Fassel hiring, I was certainly most excited about the offensive changes and Zorn. But looking around the league right now, how many very good teams have 'retreads' for coaches as many say. Even Dungy was fired from Tampa. This is what we need. We have a coach with fire who is somewhat young. Snyder took his time, but I think he made the right choice. He can't hire anyone without criticism. If it were Cowher he's making a splash, if it's Fassel people complain that coordinators were picked first (IMO a decent gripe, but understandable seeing how long it took us to hire a HC.) Etc. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

02-11-2008, 01:02 PM	#19
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I agree that regardless of the decision he made, Snyder was going to face some criticism. That's the name of the game with him, he's every easy to take shots at, some deserved, some not. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-11-2008, 01:03 PM	#20
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,323	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire If the redskins hired fassel, PK article would be about how the redskins hired the wrong guy and that Zorn is going to be the next superstar coach. PK points out that Fassel was fired as OC while his team was 4-2. He forgets to mention that the ravens were last in the league in offense that year and the two previous years. This man couldn't coach an offense to mediocre success and he is supposed to lead this team? Give me a break, I would rather take a shot at someone with potential than give someone who has proven to be mediocre another shot.

02-11-2008, 01:03 PM	#21
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I guess the crux of the matter for me is the degree to which public reaction to Fassel swayed the decision whether to hire Fassel or not. What King and La Confora are saying is that it probably had some and maybe quite a bit. If that is the case I think that is troubling. If that did not have any impact then fine, they got their guy. With the sequence of events it is difficult to think that it didn't have some impact. I certainly hope Zorn works out and probably won't ever really know much about what actually happened. That's the last thing I'll say about the coaching thing ... on to the draft. __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

02-11-2008, 01:10 PM	#22
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I think the initial fan reaction did make them back off Fassel and prompted them to go back to the drawing board. But maybe it was a good thing in hindsight. It gave them more time to evaluate things, and in the end they realized they had a qualified candidate already on the staff in Zorn. I don't care how they arrived at the decision, and in the end it will be wins and losses that either vindicates this decision or proves it to be wrong. Time will tell. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-11-2008, 01:12 PM	#23
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,323	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Is it possible that DS and VC just didn't like Fassel enough to give him the job? The media is always jumping the gun trying to release the latest information. No one ever officially said that Fassel was going to get the job. It's just as likely that DS and VC just came to the conclusion that he isn't the man to lead this team.

02-11-2008, 01:15 PM	#24
DieHardSkin Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 35	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire Hasn't everyone (Media, Fans, Etc.) been saying for years that DS should hire a coach who is young, and has come up thru the nfl ranks, and does not necessarily have a big name. This is not a big splash name, but a calculated smart decision, and we still bash…..The guy will never get a break, and I don’t think he really cares.

02-11-2008, 01:22 PM	#25
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,719	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire My impression is that the Zorn hire was more about VC not liking Fassel, or at least that was JLC's thought. I think this is on Vinny. My guess is that GW and Fassel didn't want to bow to the guy, and Zorn, as a youngster, was just fine with it. I think DS was into Fassel, and they are apparently friends. This is make or break for Vinny: either it works, and we are happy, or he's gone, and we are happy. Look on the bright side! __________________ Hail from Houston!

02-11-2008, 01:42 PM	#28
LandrySlice Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: AFGHANISTAN Posts: 335	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire I love the Zorn hiring, and if he doesn't pan out this season, Snyder will just fire him and wait for a new crop of better coaches next year. I personally think this hire will work out well, and Zorn wil become a legend here in DC!

02-11-2008, 01:56 PM	#30
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Peter King on Zorn Hire There are plenty of markets around the US for an NFL franchise. Disrespecting your fan base is one sure way to wind up like our two Baseball teams that wound up becoming the Minnesota Twins, and the Texas Rangers respectively. The City was 33 yrs. waiting for the return of Baseball and that was only after a tug of war. One would not think ordinarily that public opinion would in any way sway an owner's decision as to who to hire for a particular position, but in this case I feel it did. While Zorn's hire may not be popular with some, there are others who feel it was both good and right.

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