Fight Against Insurgence

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I really like Obama, but I question his decision to essentially nullify any leverage we have in talks with moderate insurgent groups by declaring that all conventional combat troops will be out of Iraq within 16 months. IMO, to make that kind of unconditional commitment regardless of what "conditions on the ground" are like is irresponsible and purely "political."

It is short sighted and extremely naive in my opinion. I don't care what one's opinion of whether we SHOULD have done this or not. But we are there and it is pretty difficult to argue that just leaving will be better for all parties involved.

Etierh you believe that this is still a good idea or you believe in what Colin Powell said. "We broke it. We need to fix it." But anything that is akin to abandonment is simply bad plocy and pretty irresponsible.

I want us out as much as anybody but it has to be done the right way and not the pandering, naive and uniformed way.

[Redskin]

Originally Posted by dmek25

do you have any facts, or links, that prove this? to me, this is like saying you don't support the troops, if you are against the war. this statement reads like it came straight out of the mouth of anyone in the current administration

I dont thinkn they love dems just their policies. The last election there were many threats against Bush if he got re-elected. Anywho this is about Iraq not the upcoming election and should not turn into a political debate.

[Hog1]

I think if your a Dem, you get a pass. I'll check my "cliff notes" on the Koran

[Daseal]

Im with FRPLG here. I never wanted to go to Iraq, but leaving now won't help our foreign relations. I think an overhaul of HOW we conduct business there is what we need. We won't win over the splinter groups, and the presence of American troops actually increases the amount of terrorists in the area.

To me, if we left now the biggest problem would come between Sunni and Shi'ites in Iraq.

I just hate that we go busting into places forcing democracy on people. Why must every country be run with a democracy? The thing about a democracy is people have to be involved and be able to do that without fear. Some parts of the world that's NOT an option. The best we can hope for is some sort of puppet democracy in the near future for Iraq.

[saden1]

pre-emptive war...disgusting!

That's all I have to say, carry on.

[70Chip]

Obama will not withdraw the troops on anything like the time tables he is mentioning. Sorry Move On. Sorry George Soros. Sorry Code Pink. He needs the Pentagon a lot worse than he needs you. The best he can hope for is to have some meaningful reduction (down to say 50,000 on the ground) by 2012 when he runs again. But even that may be too optimistic.

And I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for his middle class tax cut either.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

Obama will not withdraw the troops on anything like the time tables he is mentioning. Sorry Move On. Sorry George Soros. Sorry Code Pink. He needs the Pentagon a lot worse than he needs you. The best he can hope for is to have some meaningful reduction (down to say 50,000 on the ground) by 2012 when he runs again. But even that may be too optimistic.

And I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for his middle class tax cut either.

what are you, his right hand man? how do you know this? the american people have spoken, and the vast majority want our troops home.