Byner says goodbye to DC.

sportscurmudgeon · 02-14-2008, 01:30 AM

Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO.

It is a long and sordid tale...

djnemo65 · 02-14-2008, 02:34 AM

But again, we want to blame Dan and Vinny for this but isn't Joe culpable too?　　He was the guy calling the shots on the coaching hires and he didn't seem to stick his neck out for Ernest in 05.

This offseason the mantra was continuity, particularily with the coaches, yet again, it doesn't seem like anyone from the top down was pleeding Byner's case.

So what? Well maybe they just don't think he's that good. I mean, obviously right? If they are wrong about that, well, they are wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but you can't fault the guys for trying to field the best coaching staff they feel is possible.

Just because Byner is a nice "classy" guy doesn't mean he gets to keep his job if they think there's a better guy out there.

Dirtbag59 · 02-14-2008, 04:44 AM

The "process" strikes again. I sware, one day I'm going to eliminate that word from the english language. That way DS will have to come up with another excuse as to why he treats people like shit and drags them through 12 hour interviews due to his indecisiveness as the De-Facto GM.

Oakland Red · 02-14-2008, 04:56 AM

There isn't anything to wonder about with Earnest Byner. His work speaks for itself with the results he has had, and the person that he is speaks for itself as well. As far as Dan Snyder offering a contract to Byner and then pulling it back when he came in to sign it, well, that speaks for itself too.

MTK · 02-14-2008, 09:50 AM

Don't be so quick to assume things. There are two sides to every story, that's all I'm going to say.

QBall · 02-14-2008, 10:14 AM

I remember him when he played for us and you all do. He was such a great tailback and tough runner. Seemed like he never went down by one man and his powerful legs always kept on pushing for more yards.

Him getting let go is sad but this is a business. Who knows the whole story with Tampa and this and that. He will be ok, if not this year then next. We had a top flight rushing attack and he coached with the best. Just think that JLC hates Snyder and this was written in a way to make EB look like a total victim and Snyder the big bad wolf. He's gone now move on, I hear our new RB coach is a stud.

MTK · 02-14-2008, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by QBall

I remember him when he played for us and you all do. He was such a great tailback and tough runner. Seemed like he never went down by one man and his powerful legs always kept on pushing for more yards.

Him getting let go is sad but this is a business. Who knows the whole story with Tampa and this and that. He will be ok, if not this year then next. We had a top flight rushing attack and he coached with the best. Just think that JLC hates Snyder and this was written in a way to make EB look like a total victim and Snyder the big bad wolf. He's gone now move on, I hear our new RB coach is a stud.

Actually he's a Stump!

SKINSnCANES · 02-14-2008, 10:18 AM

Sucks for Byner...but you gotta figure that Zorn only gets to pics a very small amount of his 'guys' or friends to coach with him, adn that was one of the open spots.

birdz4gibbs · 02-14-2008, 10:23 AM

thank EB for the memories as a player thanks for being a coach with the burgundy and gold..

wish you well.

firstdown · 02-14-2008, 10:53 AM

So what did the front office do that was so wrong? Not offer him an extension when we were still looking for a new head coach who may want his own RB coach? We did not extend a contract which if we let him go we would have to buy him out? I just did not get anything besides letting him go that they did wrong. I don't know EB and it seems like he was a nice guy but nice guys do get let go all the time. Everyone says he did such a great job but if you look at the numbers is that really true. Portis had more fumbles this year than ever before, Betts always has had fumble issues, and Sellers really did not do much this year. All of our running backs had big drops in their average yards per carry. Yes some of this can be blamed on injuries but I do not believe that was the only reason.

SC Skins Fan · 02-14-2008, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

So what did the front office do that was so wrong? Not offer him an extension when we were still looking for a new head coach who may want his own RB coach? We did not extend a contract which if we let him go we would have to buy him out? I just did not get anything besides letting him go that they did wrong. I don't know EB and it seems like he was a nice guy but nice guys do get let go all the time. Everyone says he did such a great job but if you look at the numbers is that really true. Portis had more fumbles this year than ever before, Betts always has had fumble issues, and Sellers really did not do much this year. All of our running backs had big drops in their average yards per carry. Yes some of this can be blamed on injuries but I do not believe that was the only reason.

EB was also the RB coach in 2005 when Portis set the franchise mark for rushing and in 2006 when Betts played great down the stretch. The injuries on the o-line were at the heart of decline rushing numbers this year. It is fine if you want to say that 'it's just business', but don't try to pin any decline in rushing numbers on the RB coach, that is patently unfair.

firstdown · 02-14-2008, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

EB was also the RB coach in 2005 when Portis set the franchise mark for rushing and in 2006 when Betts played great down the stretch. The injuries on the o-line were at the heart of decline rushing numbers this year. It is fine if you want to say that 'it's just business', but don't try to pin any decline in rushing numbers on the RB coach, that is patently unfair.

OK how about fumble problems of Betts for the past three years and Ports this year. I'm not bashing EB but everyone is saying how great he has done but I'm not sure it has been all that great. CP is going to get the yards and in 05 had to run the ball a bunch to get those yards and many here said we were going to wear him out. Betts did have a great run but he has always had a fumble issues which seemed to never get addressed. Sellers to me seemed like he took a step back in his running this year and seemed to leave his feet too often not driving for the first down.

redsk1 · 02-14-2008, 11:26 AM

We all like EB and from what players say he's well respected. I'm all for Zorn bringing in his own guys, so on that end...fine.

The problem I have is why not let him go if you don't like him. There's no harm in telling him your intentions so he can land on his feet somewhere. Maybe TB would have hired him.

Of course there may be two sides to the story but you have an accumulating mountain of evidence that makes me skeptical when i hear character coming out of the mouths of DS and VC.

redsk1 · 02-14-2008, 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO.

It is a long and sordid tale...

I think we can say BM is not DS's biggest fan.

skinsfan69 · 02-14-2008, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO.

It is a long and sordid tale...

I read a little but about this a long time ago. Charley Casserly was promoted over Bobby for GM even though Mitchell had been with the team longer adn was more qualified. Bobby had the title of assistant GM. I always believed that it had something to do with race. I certainly can't prove this in any way but sometimes you wonder. The guy is a HOF player and then moved to the FO. He was an employee for how many years? Why wasn't he promoted over Casserly? I'm not saying in any was possible that Jack Kent Cooke was a racist in any way possible. But sometimes I think it's a comfort thing and Cooke was probably more comfortable with a white GM. And I don't have a problem with that. It was his team. I remember Bobby M. being interviewed on Doc Walker's show and you could tell Bobby wanted to say some things that he just couldn't say.

Now regarding Byner I just think EB is not going to be the kind of guy who is an ass kisser. He's not the corporate kind of guy that Snyder likes. Neither was GW or Marty S. He probably coaches Portis really hard and gets on him for not practicing. But who knows?

02-14-2008, 01:30 AM	#16
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. Ask Bobby Mitchell - - who had a longer and far more distinguished career on the field for the Redskins than did Earnest Byner - - about how things "happen" in the Skins FO. It is a long and sordid tale... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

02-14-2008, 02:34 AM	#17
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. But again, we want to blame Dan and Vinny for this but isn't Joe culpable too?　　He was the guy calling the shots on the coaching hires and he didn't seem to stick his neck out for Ernest in 05. This offseason the mantra was continuity, particularily with the coaches, yet again, it doesn't seem like anyone from the top down was pleeding Byner's case. So what? Well maybe they just don't think he's that good. I mean, obviously right? If they are wrong about that, well, they are wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but you can't fault the guys for trying to field the best coaching staff they feel is possible. Just because Byner is a nice "classy" guy doesn't mean he gets to keep his job if they think there's a better guy out there.

02-14-2008, 04:44 AM	#18
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. The "process" strikes again. I sware, one day I'm going to eliminate that word from the english language. That way DS will have to come up with another excuse as to why he treats people like shit and drags them through 12 hour interviews due to his indecisiveness as the De-Facto GM. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

02-14-2008, 04:56 AM	#19
Oakland Red Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Oakland, Calif. Posts: 268	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. There isn't anything to wonder about with Earnest Byner. His work speaks for itself with the results he has had, and the person that he is speaks for itself as well. As far as Dan Snyder offering a contract to Byner and then pulling it back when he came in to sign it, well, that speaks for itself too.

02-14-2008, 09:50 AM	#20
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. Don't be so quick to assume things. There are two sides to every story, that's all I'm going to say. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-14-2008, 10:14 AM	#21
QBall Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 351	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. I remember him when he played for us and you all do. He was such a great tailback and tough runner. Seemed like he never went down by one man and his powerful legs always kept on pushing for more yards. Him getting let go is sad but this is a business. Who knows the whole story with Tampa and this and that. He will be ok, if not this year then next. We had a top flight rushing attack and he coached with the best. Just think that JLC hates Snyder and this was written in a way to make EB look like a total victim and Snyder the big bad wolf. He's gone now move on, I hear our new RB coach is a stud. __________________ IT WAS THE TIME OF THE PREACHER.............IN THE YEAR OF 01'. NOW THAT THE LESSON IS OVER, THE KILLINGS BEGUN.......

02-14-2008, 10:18 AM	#23
SKINSnCANES Pro Bowl Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Jersey Age: 42 Posts: 5,454	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. Sucks for Byner...but you gotta figure that Zorn only gets to pics a very small amount of his 'guys' or friends to coach with him, adn that was one of the open spots. __________________ "I'm used to winning, coming from the University of Miami. " Clinton Portis

02-14-2008, 10:23 AM	#24
birdz4gibbs Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 370	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. thank EB for the memories as a player thanks for being a coach with the burgundy and gold.. wish you well. __________________ **go skins*****

02-14-2008, 10:53 AM	#25
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. So what did the front office do that was so wrong? Not offer him an extension when we were still looking for a new head coach who may want his own RB coach? We did not extend a contract which if we let him go we would have to buy him out? I just did not get anything besides letting him go that they did wrong. I don't know EB and it seems like he was a nice guy but nice guys do get let go all the time. Everyone says he did such a great job but if you look at the numbers is that really true. Portis had more fumbles this year than ever before, Betts always has had fumble issues, and Sellers really did not do much this year. All of our running backs had big drops in their average yards per carry. Yes some of this can be blamed on injuries but I do not believe that was the only reason.

02-14-2008, 11:26 AM	#28
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Byner says goodbye to DC. We all like EB and from what players say he's well respected. I'm all for Zorn bringing in his own guys, so on that end...fine. The problem I have is why not let him go if you don't like him. There's no harm in telling him your intentions so he can land on his feet somewhere. Maybe TB would have hired him. Of course there may be two sides to the story but you have an accumulating mountain of evidence that makes me skeptical when i hear character coming out of the mouths of DS and VC.

Byner says goodbye to DC.

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