-- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him --

724Skinsfan · 02-26-2008, 09:19 AM

Zorn may have a more relaxed clubhouse atmosphere that tolerates guys wearing profanity on their hats thus not creating any extra tension. It's hard dealing with whiny crybabies that are used to getting their way but some people work better with them than others. Hopefully Zorn is that guy.

FRPLG · 02-26-2008, 09:26 AM

BL = sunk cost. We need to just eat it.

MTK · 02-26-2008, 09:43 AM

Hopefully it will be a quick talk to tell him he's cut.

SC Skins Fan · 02-26-2008, 09:46 AM

This makes sense because Brandon Lloyd was a model citizen and not a malcontent in San Francisco. He never caused problems in that locker room and his actions in Washington are totally without precedent. Because the Redskins really did great research before trading picks for him and there were no signs at all that he would be a problem once he got to Washington ....

Oh, wait ... nevermind ...

Several signs point to Lloyd departure
http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...oyd#post158525

redsk1 · 02-26-2008, 09:49 AM

I think we can't place blame on one person for BL. The whole FO/Head Coach get the blame for allowing the trade to get BL. Even if Al Saunders wanted BL, it doesn't mean that we had to do it.

I agree though, let's just cut our losses.

Cooley1 · 02-26-2008, 09:52 AM

I say you give him a chance under a new system with a new head coach, why not? You’re going to pay him more to cut him. So, lets just say he has a mediocre year for us and then we decide to get more youth at WR - we may actually have a chance to trade him the following year, further eliminating cap hits and getting something in return.

SC Skins Fan · 02-26-2008, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

I think we can't place blame on one person for BL. The whole FO/Head Coach get the blame for allowing the trade to get BL. Even if Al Saunders wanted BL, it doesn't mean that we had to do it.

I agree though, let's just cut our losses.

Read that thread from 2006, a lot of people on here were very excited about B. Lloyd too ... I didn't really remember the hype, it is interesting to go back and look at some of those things. Also, don't think I'm crowning myself as some kind of genius, if you go through that thread I at one point stated that I wanted to Skins to target David Givens, Nate Clements, and Darren Howard (yikes!). I was glad to see I didn't like the acquisitions of either Lloyd or Archuleta. I was wrong about Andre Carter though.

Oh geez, I also found this one, DAMN THE SEARCH FUNCTION!!

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Not likely. Not having to give up a #2 for Lloyd makes those 4 catches replayed 14 times looke pretty damn sweet. Despite my earlier reservations I think I am now drinking the Brandon Lloyd Kool Aid . . . which might be a bad sign. By the way, has anyone heard Lloyd rap? Does he have any flow or is he more of the a Deion Sanders "Must Be the Money" type? What a classic . . .

The Encore Remix by Deion Sanders at Audio Lunchbox

MTK · 02-26-2008, 09:56 AM

Once a bum, always a bum. We need to cut him loose and move on from this mistake. I'm sure Zorn is just saying what he has to say at this point.

freddyg12 · 02-26-2008, 10:02 AM

The only reason I can think of to keep Loyd any longer would be to play him in preseason to boost his trade value. Problem w/that is the guy has negative value at present, so he'd have to be dominant on the field & somehow convince teams he's a changed man for us to even get a 7th for him.

I can only think of one team that might make a deal for this guy; Oakland. Who knows, maybe Zorn will keep him on the roster & then cut him or trade him if he can find a sucker.

EARTHQUAKE2689 · 02-26-2008, 10:31 AM

Just rip off the band-aid.

QBall · 02-26-2008, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Hopefully it will be a quick talk to tell him he's cut.

Class act to give him face to face chance. You never know how a new coach may be able to connect but the guy may have too much baggage as a skin.

Schneed10 · 02-26-2008, 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by QBall

Class act to give him face to face chance. You never know how a new coach may be able to connect but the guy may have too much baggage as a skin.

False hopes.

If it quacks like a duck, it's a duck. Cut him loose and move on.

jdlea · 02-26-2008, 10:54 AM

I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.

MTK · 02-26-2008, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.

The problem is he IS a locker room distraction and a malcontent.

He's had blowouts with coaches and players.

Daseal · 02-26-2008, 11:21 AM

I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before.

02-26-2008, 09:19 AM	#16
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02-26-2008, 09:26 AM	#17
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02-26-2008, 09:46 AM	#19
SC Skins Fan The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,555	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- This makes sense because Brandon Lloyd was a model citizen and not a malcontent in San Francisco. He never caused problems in that locker room and his actions in Washington are totally without precedent. Because the Redskins really did great research before trading picks for him and there were no signs at all that he would be a problem once he got to Washington .... Oh, wait ... nevermind ... Several signs point to Lloyd departure http://www.redskinswarpath.com/locke...oyd#post158525 __________________ It has taken a long time, but I have finally realized that nothing I say about the Redskins will have any effect upon anything the Redskins do.

02-26-2008, 09:49 AM	#20
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- I think we can't place blame on one person for BL. The whole FO/Head Coach get the blame for allowing the trade to get BL. Even if Al Saunders wanted BL, it doesn't mean that we had to do it. I agree though, let's just cut our losses.

02-26-2008, 09:52 AM	#21
Cooley1 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Frederick, MD Posts: 105	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- I say you give him a chance under a new system with a new head coach, why not? You’re going to pay him more to cut him. So, lets just say he has a mediocre year for us and then we decide to get more youth at WR - we may actually have a chance to trade him the following year, further eliminating cap hits and getting something in return.

02-26-2008, 09:56 AM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- Once a bum, always a bum. We need to cut him loose and move on from this mistake. I'm sure Zorn is just saying what he has to say at this point. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

02-26-2008, 10:02 AM	#24
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- The only reason I can think of to keep Loyd any longer would be to play him in preseason to boost his trade value. Problem w/that is the guy has negative value at present, so he'd have to be dominant on the field & somehow convince teams he's a changed man for us to even get a 7th for him. I can only think of one team that might make a deal for this guy; Oakland. Who knows, maybe Zorn will keep him on the roster & then cut him or trade him if he can find a sucker.

02-26-2008, 10:31 AM	#25
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02-26-2008, 10:54 AM	#28
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- I don't see what the idea is behind releasing. I don't like him anymore than anyone else, but this guy has 0 trade value and will cost us money to cut. So, what's the point of getting rid of him. I don't believe that he's a cancer, so addition by subtraction doesn't really make sense to me. I feel like, we have to keep him and give him a shot to pick it up. Maybe he'll fit in a little better with Zorn's offense? Doubtful, but if he can become any kind of contributor, it would be nice.

02-26-2008, 11:21 AM	#30
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Re: -- Zorn to Talk to Lloyd Before Cutting Him -- I still haven't given up hope on Lloyd. I'd like to see him actually get an opportunity. All it can take is a change of scenery/staff for a whole new player to come out. We've seen it many times before. __________________ Best. Player. Available.

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