BitterGate

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Gotta love that quote, can I put that as my sig? It just goes to show that too many people consider the war an issue that they don't really face, simply because it doesn't happen in their own back yard.

The war is the #1 issue we all face. Plain and simple.

McCain understands the issues, and to some extent Hillary and Obama do too, but he's the only one of the three who has his priorities in the right order and has solutions that won't hurt us in the long run.

we can respectfully agree to disagree. getting out of Iraq, and taking care of Americans here at home, should be every candidates main focus. and for me, john McCain is a warmonger, that scares the shit out of me. you know the old saying, once a fighter, always a fighter. he would love nothing more then to make his mark by using whatever force necessary around the world. after 5+ years in Iraq( that's not working) its time to give politics a chance

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

we can respectfully agree to disagree. getting out of Iraq, and taking care of Americans here at home, should be every candidates main focus. and for me, john McCain is a warmonger, that scares the shit out of me. you know the old saying, once a fighter, always a fighter. he would love nothing more then to make his mark by using whatever force necessary around the world. after 5+ years in Iraq( that's not working) its time to give politics a chance

Ok, I know McCain thinks we need to wrap up Iraq and not just leave but what else has he said that makes you think he is a war monger. You can also say a person who has fought in battle knows why to avoid a battle and I think he knows that better than 99% of the American people.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by dmek25

we can respectfully agree to disagree. getting out of Iraq, and taking care of Americans here at home, should be every candidates main focus. and for me, john McCain is a warmonger, that scares the shit out of me. you know the old saying, once a fighter, always a fighter. he would love nothing more then to make his mark by using whatever force necessary around the world. after 5+ years in Iraq( that's not working) its time to give politics a chance

5 1/2 years?

This is what our country has come to. A spineless society who seem to not understand what it means to be at war. Don't get me wrong, I have SERIOUS misgivings with the war but not a single one of them has to do with time. If the right path in the Iraq would take 50 years then I would supoort it wholep-heartedly. War sucks and costs lives but if it is the right thing to do then it should be done right. Saying it has been 5 1/2 years and not everyone there is sitting around a camp fire singing Kumbaya so it is time to give up and do something else is SOOOOO misguided. If you are against the war for other reasons I can understand but don't feed me a line that basically says "Hey, we're a bunch of big pussies who don't have the guts to hang in there when things get tough" That is exactly what I hear when someone says something about how long this war has taken so politics must be a better answer. And I'd bet that's what our enemy would hear too.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

5 1/2 years?

This is what our country has come to. A spineless society who seem to not understand what it means to be at war. Don't get me wrong, I have SERIOUS misgivings with the war but not a single one of them has to do with time. If the right path in the Iraq would take 50 years then I would supoort it wholep-heartedly. War sucks and costs lives but if it is the right thing to do then it should be done right. Saying it has been 5 1/2 years and not everyone there is sitting around a camp fire singing Kumbaya so it is time to give up and do something else is SOOOOO misguided. If you are against the war for other reasons I can understand but don't feed me a line that basically says "Hey, we're a bunch of big pussies who don't have the guts to hang in there when things get tough" That is exactly what I hear when someone says something about how long this war has taken so politics must be a better answer. And I'd bet that's what our enemy would hear too.

A 29 year old enthusiastic young chap like you is just what they are looking for to serve. I encourage you to join and fight for what you believe in. I promise to send you care packages every month.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

5 1/2 years?

This is what our country has come to. A spineless society who seem to not understand what it means to be at war. Don't get me wrong, I have SERIOUS misgivings with the war but not a single one of them has to do with time. If the right path in the Iraq would take 50 years then I would supoort it wholep-heartedly. War sucks and costs lives but if it is the right thing to do then it should be done right. Saying it has been 5 1/2 years and not everyone there is sitting around a camp fire singing Kumbaya so it is time to give up and do something else is SOOOOO misguided. If you are against the war for other reasons I can understand but don't feed me a line that basically says "Hey, we're a bunch of big pussies who don't have the guts to hang in there when things get tough" That is exactly what I hear when someone says something about how long this war has taken so politics must be a better answer. And I'd bet that's what our enemy would hear too.

this is my point. these bunch of idiots we have running this country have no real vision, or plan, on how to succeed in this so called war. in reality, war is ugly. war costs thousands of people their lives. but war is also knowing who the enemy is, and what the objectives are. it would be different if the Iraqi people wanted this United States invasion. i really don't think they did. these people have been killing each other for thousands of years. what makes us think we can impose our will of democracy upon them? and if that would be the case, who is next? China, Iran, North Korea? the list goes on and on. i really do believe this administration had the United States best interests in heart when this started. but this has been so mismanaged, its turned into a disaster. im not willing to sacrifice any more American lives on the CHANCE that the Iraqi people MIGHT embrace their freedoms. are you?

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Originally Posted by dmek25

is this a case of someone like Fox making a issue where there really isn't? i still see this as a non issue. and it is really funny to hear someone like a 72 year old John McCain saying someone else is out of touch. that man hasn't a clue on every day problems us real Americans face. now, show him a war, or conflict, and that's right up his alley

I like how you have to point out his age to say he is out of touch. Hmmm

[SmootSmack]

I guarantee everyone's response in this thread would be different if they didn't know who made these comments or if it was Clinton or McCain that made them

And I think Mheisig is pretty spot on with his post.

[EternalEnigma21]

there isn't really much ammo to pick obama apart with. He's a cunning linguist and a master debater.

[Skinsfan1967]

No candidate should get a free ride on stereotyping.

[dmek25]

haven't you heard any of the " mistakes" of McCain speaking on behalf of Iran?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by dmek25

haven't you heard any of the " mistakes" of McCain speaking on behalf of Iran?

No thats why I asked.

[SmootSmack]

I think Obama said last week that McCain is not a warmonger. I think McCain has a much better understanding of the dangers and impact of war than the other candidates, and while it as at times disconcerting to think of more battles overseas, it's also a bit scary to think of what might happen if we just pack our bags and go home.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Obama said last week that McCain is not a warmonger. I think McCain has a much better understanding of the dangers and impact of war than the other candidates, and while it as at times disconcerting to think of more battles overseas, it's also a bit scary to think of what might happen if we just pack our bags and go home.

ok, ill bite. what might happen?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by dmek25

ok, ill bite. what might happen?

Well it's a whole other discussion in and of itself, but I don't believe in an insolationist policy. Or significantly worse, trusting the UN to handle matters. I definitely agreed with the decision to go to Iraq, but the execution and gameplan was poor.

I'm not convinced yet that Obama or Clinton have the right plan when it comes to foreign policy. Is war the answer? Of course not, but...speak softly and carry a big stick

[saden1]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think Obama said last week that McCain is not a warmonger. I think McCain has a much better understanding of the dangers and impact of war than the other candidates, and while it as at times disconcerting to think of more battles overseas, it's also a bit scary to think of what might happen if we just pack our bags and go home.

So we try to prevent the future? Action could lead to just as much danger as inaction. Or as they say "blowback" in CIA speak.