Redskins Insider: Draft Review

[over the mountain]

the skins having a wr rated so high they couldnt pass on him even though they had other needs . . sounds like when we drafted taylor jacobs instead of mike doss, "we were just so surprised he was still there we had to do it!!"

go skins!

[AlvinWalton'sNeckBrace]

This guy is kind of turning into a gas bag who doesn't provide any real info. I mean, I'm not going to sit here and say the skins are going 13-3 this year...but one can at least be positive. This was a GOOD draft...we got three players with first round grades, and then proceeded to shore up some holes for depth. Initially, I didn't like passing on DL, but I think we did a good job, and I'll wait till after June 1st to make any judgments.

[FRPLG]

I call BS on the "being honest with fans" crap. What I infer from that is "being honest with journalists so when we write what they tell us we don't look like idiots after they do something different". I mean really how are they not being honest with fans? That doesn't even make sense. He just seem slightly bitter that his contacts are gone and he is left with the people he just doesn't like and can't get much info from.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the skins having a wr rated so high they couldnt pass on him even though they had other needs . . sounds like when we drafted taylor jacobs instead of mike doss, "we were just so surprised he was still there we had to do it!!"

go skins!

For the record, Mike Doss hasn't been a player either and is now a reserve with the Vikings (i.e. not the team that drafted him). Historical analogies are pretty slippery, and not all that useful, when it comes to the draft IMO.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by over the mountain

the skins having a wr rated so high they couldnt pass on him even though they had other needs . . sounds like when we drafted taylor jacobs instead of mike doss, "we were just so surprised he was still there we had to do it!!"

go skins!

So the Skins are supposed to say to themselves "Say, look who's available. A player rated far and away better than anyone else on our board. Ohhh, but he is a WR and I remembr a couple years ago we drafted a WR in a very similar situation and it didn't work out. We better pass on the guy since we blew this once before."

Is that what you are saying?

[HOGTIMUS PRIME]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

So the Skins are supposed to say to themselves "Say, look who's available. A player rated far and away better than anyone else on our board. Ohhh, but he is a WR and I remembr a couple years ago we drafted a WR in a very similar situation and it didn't work out. We better pass on the guy since we blew this once before."

Is that what you are saying?

What I believe he is saying is we have heard this story before, the justification of the picking of a player that is not a big need position, but he is picked any way because management is in love with skill players rather than a much less sexier pick but more of a need and core pick in linemen. In other words just because he was rated as a top pick on our board doesn't mean he was on anyone Else's. Jason Campbell is another example of that he was a mid to late 2nd round pick at best and we turned him into a #1.

As JLC pointed out it really doesn't matter how many WR's you have if you can't block or pass protect they will never see the ball, and he's right we had opportunity to address plenty of other needs especially with an ageing O-line and still get any WR they wanted, and could have thrown Calias Campbell or another D-lineman in with that group.

Can someone explain even if all these receivers turn out to be good NFL players [which I believe they will] how are we going to keep them all happy, there is only one ball to go around and 3 pro bowlers sitting in front of these kids?

[irish]

No surprise this article isnt liked as JLC doesnt fit into the herd mentaility of this site. I think JLC is more correct than not.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by irish

No surprise this article isnt liked as JLC doesnt fit into the herd mentaility of this site. I think JLC is more correct than not.

You wouldn't be 'irish' if you didn't.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

You wouldn't be 'irish' if you didn't.

And you wouldnt be a "knowledgeable" fan if you did. So I guess we are even.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

No surprise this article isnt liked as JLC doesnt fit into the herd mentaility of this site. I think JLC is more correct than not.

Sometimes the "herd" (if one actually exists) is wrong and sometimes it is right. You are under the mistaken impression that, by disagreeing with nearly every front office move and coaching decision, you are somehow more astute and objective than the rest of us. By reacting in such a knee-jerk fashion to nearly everything that happens at Redskins Park and FedEx Field, you are actually showing that you are totally incapable of viewing things objectively. You are absolutely incapable of seeing the good and the bad.

[wilsowilso]

I remember taking a bunch of grief around here when I spoke up about my dislike for JLC. Now he is just making it too easy for Redskin fans to ignore him. I still say much of the core issue is the fact that Dan Snyder and the The Washington Post straight up hate one another.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Sometimes the "herd" (if one actually exists) is wrong and sometimes it is right. You are under the mistaken impression that, by disagreeing with nearly every front office move and coaching decision, you are somehow more astute and objective than the rest of us. By reacting in such a knee-jerk fashion to nearly everything that happens at Redskins Park and FedEx Field, you are actually showing that you are totally incapable of viewing things objectively. You are absolutely incapable of seeing the good and the bad.

I think you are seeing it the wrong way. You said I disagree with nearly every move which means I agree with some, which I do. I can hardly think of anyone on this site besides myself that ever says anything negative about the Skins. In fact the way most talk on this board one would think the Skins are the 10 time defending Super Bowl champs instead of barely sniffing the playoffs in the past 15 years. In reality I am much more objective than 99% of the "knowledgeable" fans on this site.

I am certain that if you look back at the past posts you will see that anyone that says the Skins are great and making all the right moves is very astute and knowledgeable while anyone that utters a negative word is labeled as anti-redskin or not objective.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by irish

I think you are seeing it the wrong way. You said I disagree with nearly every move which means I agree with some, which I do. I can hardly think of anyone on this site besides myself that ever says anything negative about the Skins. In fact the way most talk on this board one would think the Skins are the 10 time defending Super Bowl champs instead of barely sniffing the playoffs in the past 15 years. In reality I am much more objective than 99% of the "knowledgeable" fans on this site.

I am certain that if you look back at the past posts you will see that anyone that says the Skins are great and making all the right moves is very astute and knowledgeable while anyone that utters a negative word is labeled as anti-redskin or not objective.

I've been critical of an awful lot of things. If you really need me to, I'll go searching for evidence. I was critical of our failure to get help along the lines in the draft, notwithstanding our "BPA" philosophy. I was extremely critical of the attempt to trade for Chad Johnson. Skinsfan69 has been critical of a fair number of moves. I could go on and on.

As for your posts, I don't think I've EVER seen you say anything positive. You usually pop up when things go wrong and disappear when things are going well. IMO, you've taken things to extreme and go out of your way to complain about the state of the team. You rarely, if ever, talk about the bad AND the good.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I've been critical of an awful lot of things. If you really need me to, I'll go searching for evidence. I was critical of our failure to get help along the lines in the draft, notwithstanding our "BPA" philosophy. I was extremely critical of the attempt to trade for Chad Johnson. Skinsfan69 has been critical of a fair number of moves. I could go on and on.

As for your posts, I don't think I've EVER seen you say anything positive. You usually pop up when things go wrong and disappear when things are going well. IMO, you've taken things to extreme and go out of your way to complain about the state of the team. You rarely, if ever, talk about the bad AND the good.

You dont see the positive things I say because you are predisposed to viewing my posts as negative. I said I liked the skins getting the OL and punter in the draft and I also remember picking the Skins to win way more games in the weekly prediction than they did. I admit I do talk more bad but thats because the skins havent done much good over the past 15 years to get excited about but I have had positive posts.

[SmootSmack]

Problem that is that when irish decides to focus on something negative, he'll spin things every way he can to keep it negative. First we're not keeping our own key players he says, then as we start to notice a definite trend that way (Jansen, Betts, Sellers, Cooley) he say it's not enough. Then when we re-sign Cartwright, it's why are we keeping this guy?

He can call it "keeping it real" but as I said in another thread a while back, being "real" is recognizing positive change, it's not all about the negative.

Skinsfan69 can annoy me sometimes (as I'm sure, I do him). But give me his posts and analysis 10 times out of 10 over irish's.