Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq

BleedBurgundy · 06-02-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

McClellan has some kind words for Bush, calling him "a man of personal charm, wit and enormous political skill." He writes that the president "did not consciously set out to engage in these destructive practices. But like others before him, he chose to play the Washington game the way he found it, rather than changing the culture as he vowed to do at the outset of his campaign for the presidency."

This seems to be the case with many elected officials. Let's see if that changes with the next President.

I won't hold my breath.

saden1 · 05-29-2008, 12:37 AM

Remember kids, you can't sugarcoat shit and try to pass it of as caramel apple.

That Guy · 05-29-2008, 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Remember kids, you can't sugarcoat shit and try to pass it of as caramel apple.

wow, i'm generally not a fan of his, but that's pretty amazing.

saden1 · 05-29-2008, 01:34 AM

Is Bush the commander in chief or not? He's not a decorative item in the white house. Apparently his lack of competence seems to give him some leeway around here. Rumsfled this, Rumsfeld that, Bush was standing right next to him and praising him after being forced to resign for god sake. Same goes for Gonzales, same goes Brownie, etc, etc.

70Chip · 06-01-2008, 01:56 AM

Any Republican President that employs someone named Mclellan is obviously asking for trouble. The name itself is synonimous with weakness and disloyalty. If I were President, and someone came to me and said, "Sir, we want to promote McClellan", I would say, "Good Lord ,Man read your history".

George B. McClellan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

saden1 · 06-01-2008, 01:18 PM

Interesting, what about employing someone with the name McCain as president?

Cain and Abel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Goat · 06-01-2008, 02:36 PM

I know the McClellan book is causing a big stir. I've not read it and probably won't beyond the excerpts seen and heard on tv and radio, but I don't feel his criticism is as warranted as that from Paul O'neill or Richard Clark. For one thing I doubt McClellan sat in on cabinet level meetings where the real dirt gets mixed. Part of what made O'neill's confession so scathing is that he discussed the idiocy witnessed in cabinet meetings... the pres would agree that letting the federal budget fall back into massive deficit was totally unacceptable but at the next meeting (after vp "deficits don't matter" cheney and karl "i don't give an f about responsible public policy" rove had worked the pres over) the story would be completely different.

That said, i understand McClellan is one pissed off mo-fo. I wouldn't take a million dollar cash payment to associate w/ a single person in the admin and would probably put a bullet in my brain before I'd defend policy and appointments from the past 8 years. Bottom line is his job sucked and now he wants revenge... can ya really blame him.

dmek25 · 06-02-2008, 06:36 AM

dblanch, tell us how you really feel? i agree with what you said. but you usually steer clear of political discussions

redsk1 · 06-03-2008, 11:20 AM

This just in: The gov't uses propaganda to "sell" a war. Amazing. Have we ever fought a war where there was no propaganda?

firstdown · 06-03-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

This just in: The gov't uses propaganda to "sell" a war. Amazing. Have we ever fought a war where there was no propaganda?

I'd say when the Japanes attacked us at Pearl Harbor that was propaganda enough.

steveo395 · 06-03-2008, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

I'd say when the Japanes attacked us at Pearl Harbor that was propaganda enough.

Thats why we sent most of our troops to Europe...

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 06-04-2008, 12:13 AM

I am a Bush basher and was against going to Iraq in the first instance, but I think many people incorrectly think that the GOP has a monopoly on deceit, manipulation, fear mongering, etc. For whatever reason, so many Dems seem to think that their own sh*t doesn't stink. To me, the stench of Dem and Repub pooh stinks equally. It just happens that we are currently up to our eyes in Repub feces. I am waiting for the Dems to get into office so they can take a dump on our faces.

And no....I do not have a pooh fetish.

dblanch66 · 06-04-2008, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I am a Bush basher and was against going to Iraq in the first instance, but I think many people incorrectly think that the GOP has a monopoly on deceit, manipulation, fear mongering, etc. For whatever reason, so many Dems seem to think that their own sh*t doesn't stink. To me, the stench of Dem and Repub pooh stinks equally. It just happens that we are currently up to our eyes in Repub feces. I am waiting for the Dems to get into office so they can take a dump on our faces.

And no....I do not have a pooh fetish.

whoa.

The Goat · 06-08-2008, 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I am a Bush basher and was against going to Iraq in the first instance, but I think many people incorrectly think that the GOP has a monopoly on deceit, manipulation, fear mongering, etc. For whatever reason, so many Dems seem to think that their own sh*t doesn't stink. To me, the stench of Dem and Repub pooh stinks equally. It just happens that we are currently up to our eyes in Repub feces. I am waiting for the Dems to get into office so they can take a dump on our faces.

And no....I do not have a pooh fetish.

Huh, coulda fooled me. My guess was that you're a clinically depressed fecophiliac on prozac.

The Goat · 06-09-2008, 12:18 AM

No intention of starting a different argument here, but even 5 years ago when I finished college (w/ a history degree) there had already been hundreds of doctoral dissertations as well as forensic investigations detailing the assassinations of the 60's. The widely accepted, and by that I mean encompassing nearly the whole profession, view is that the only assassination that was a conspiracy was MLK Jr. Read transcripts from the FBI and CIA and it becomes painfully obvious officials at the highest levels of government wanted him dead. I cannot remember the name of the book now that a visiting professor had us read but it documents, referencing primary sources, confessions from both undercover government agents and those who could get close to MLK there was an active involvement to have him killed.

05-29-2008, 12:37 AM	#2
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq Remember kids, you can't sugarcoat shit and try to pass it of as caramel apple. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

05-29-2008, 01:34 AM	#4
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq Is Bush the commander in chief or not? He's not a decorative item in the white house. Apparently his lack of competence seems to give him some leeway around here. Rumsfled this, Rumsfeld that, Bush was standing right next to him and praising him after being forced to resign for god sake. Same goes for Gonzales, same goes Brownie, etc, etc. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

06-01-2008, 01:56 AM	#5
70Chip Playmaker Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Manassas Age: 55 Posts: 3,048	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq Any Republican President that employs someone named Mclellan is obviously asking for trouble. The name itself is synonimous with weakness and disloyalty. If I were President, and someone came to me and said, "Sir, we want to promote McClellan", I would say, "Good Lord ,Man read your history". George B. McClellan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ This Monkey's Gone to Heaven

06-01-2008, 01:18 PM	#6
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq Interesting, what about employing someone with the name McCain as president? Cain and Abel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

06-01-2008, 02:36 PM	#7
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq I know the McClellan book is causing a big stir. I've not read it and probably won't beyond the excerpts seen and heard on tv and radio, but I don't feel his criticism is as warranted as that from Paul O'neill or Richard Clark. For one thing I doubt McClellan sat in on cabinet level meetings where the real dirt gets mixed. Part of what made O'neill's confession so scathing is that he discussed the idiocy witnessed in cabinet meetings... the pres would agree that letting the federal budget fall back into massive deficit was totally unacceptable but at the next meeting (after vp "deficits don't matter" cheney and karl "i don't give an f about responsible public policy" rove had worked the pres over) the story would be completely different. That said, i understand McClellan is one pissed off mo-fo. I wouldn't take a million dollar cash payment to associate w/ a single person in the admin and would probably put a bullet in my brain before I'd defend policy and appointments from the past 8 years. Bottom line is his job sucked and now he wants revenge... can ya really blame him. __________________ 24-34

06-02-2008, 06:36 AM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 64 Posts: 10,672	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq dblanch, tell us how you really feel? i agree with what you said. but you usually steer clear of political discussions __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

06-03-2008, 11:20 AM	#9
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq This just in: The gov't uses propaganda to "sell" a war. Amazing. Have we ever fought a war where there was no propaganda?

06-04-2008, 12:13 AM	#12
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 47 Posts: 8,317	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq I am a Bush basher and was against going to Iraq in the first instance, but I think many people incorrectly think that the GOP has a monopoly on deceit, manipulation, fear mongering, etc. For whatever reason, so many Dems seem to think that their own sht doesn't stink. To me, the stench of Dem and Repub pooh stinks equally. It just happens that we are currently up to our eyes in Repub feces. I am waiting for the Dems to get into office so they can take a dump on our faces. And no....I do not have a pooh fetish. Last edited by Sheriff Gonna Getcha; 06-04-2008 at 12:14 AM.*

06-09-2008, 12:18 AM	#15
The Goat Pro Bowl Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 5,662	Re: Bush's former press secretary says Bush misled U.S. on Iraq No intention of starting a different argument here, but even 5 years ago when I finished college (w/ a history degree) there had already been hundreds of doctoral dissertations as well as forensic investigations detailing the assassinations of the 60's. The widely accepted, and by that I mean encompassing nearly the whole profession, view is that the only assassination that was a conspiracy was MLK Jr. Read transcripts from the FBI and CIA and it becomes painfully obvious officials at the highest levels of government wanted him dead. I cannot remember the name of the book now that a visiting professor had us read but it documents, referencing primary sources, confessions from both undercover government agents and those who could get close to MLK there was an active involvement to have him killed. __________________ 24-34

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