The Greatest NFL Team of All Time

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by RIGGO/NYC

Monk is one of my all time favorites and I hate R. Moss, but he has the all-time single season TD mark, the rookie record for yards, and he is arguably the most feared WR by D coordinators in the history of the NFL. Most D-coordinators from Monks era concede that they feared G. Clark more than Monk. Moss also has more yards than Monk in his carreer (I think). Point is Monk should not be considered for best WR of all time if I am going to be objective, which people voting on that poll are not being, hence Darren Woodson over Ronie Lott. Bullshit Poll! F*** the Cowgirls!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think if you were to ask Ronnie Lott who he feared most Art Monk or Randy Moss (I don't remember if he played when Lott was around) his answer would be Monk. Monk always did well against the Niners whom a lot of people call the best team ever (that's for debate, 70's Steelers hands down own that recognition).

[Slingin Sammy 33]

This list from SIRIUS has some "serious" (bad pun, sorry) flaws:

1) Reggie White is a DE, not DT and IMO the best of all time with Deacon Jones second. How can the DE list not include Carl Eller or Harvey Martin, who was better than "Too Tall" Jones. Lee Roy Selmon was also not considered.

2) Where's Merlin Olsen on the DT list. You normally don't leave 14-time Pro Bowlers off an All-Time Greats list.

3) How can neither Mike Haynes or Lester Hayes, probably the best CB tandem of all time, not be on the CB list. I don't recall Wehrli, his stats are good, but I'm not sure how he won this. Darrell Green, Deion and Haynes would all get my vote before Wehrli. Blount is not a bad selection. Champ Bailey should've also been considered, more INTs than Wehrli and more Pro Bowls.

4) Hard to argue with Munoz, but Dierdorf and Pace should've been dropped in favor of Jacoby, Gary Zimmerman and Forrest Gregg. I would've voted Munoz & Zimmerman.

5) Cross sucks and shouldn't be on the list at Guard. I can't stand him and he sucks as a talking-head too. Cross and Allen should've been dumped for Grimm and Fralic from Atlanta. Hannah and Upshaw would've been my choices.

6) At Center, Webster was pretty darn good. And as much as I can't stand Cross, he does at least deserve to be on the list here.

7) At TE they could've at least spelled Gonzalez' name right. They should've dropped Bavaro and added Dave Casper. Winslow, Casper, Newsome and Gonzalez are all better than Sharpe. Tough call on the best between those four though.

8) Rice is hard to argue against as much as I can't stand him. Moss has put up consistent +1000 yd seasons and lead the NFL in receiving TDs 4 times (I believe). Aside from his down years in OAK he is hard to argue against. I would've dropped Maynard and added Charley Taylor to the list, Paul Warfield and Raymond Berry should've also been considered.

As usual these polls are a popularity contest with Cowgirls fans coming out of the wood-work to vote on these things. I agree with SC Skins Fan, any Cowgirl fan with no real ties to Dallas or TX should be sent back into the closets they all hide in when the "Girls" are having a bad season.

[killromo]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

This list from SIRIUS has some "serious" (bad pun, sorry) flaws:

As usual these polls are a popularity contest with Cowgirls fans coming out of the wood-work to vote on these things. I agree with SC Skins Fan, any Cowgirl fan with no real ties to Dallas or TX should be sent back into the closets they all hide in when the "Girls" are having a bad season.

Agreed. The cowboys are really starting to piss me off even more than usual with the preferential treatment they receive from everything to these pointless polls to the way Pacman was forgiven all of a sudden when he became a cowboy. He would have continued down his path to WWE sideshow had the cowboys not picked him up. F* the cowboys and all their shallow fans. My blood is boiling now; I need to get off here and back to work.

[Ade Jimoh Fan Club]

I know he hasn't "technically" played in the NFL yet, but Durant Brooks should be in the conversation. He's going to be the-best-punter-of-all-tiiiiiiiiiiiime!

[starzzz]

Originally Posted by killromo

Agreed. The cowboys are really starting to piss me off even more than usual with the preferential treatment they receive from everything to these pointless polls to the way Pacman was forgiven all of a sudden when he became a cowboy. He would have continued down his path to WWE sideshow had the cowboys not picked him up. F* the cowboys and all their shallow fans. My blood is boiling now; I need to get off here and back to work.

I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by starzzz

I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.

Wow...just wow. I mean...wow! Let's see, what's worse? Being punched in the face, or being shot and paralyzed?

I mean I'm not justifying what Taylor is alleged to have done once, but there is just no comparison. Some say PacMan is just at the wrong place at the wrong time. But it seems like he's always in the wrong place at always the wrong time.

For his sake, I hope he's got his act together now.

[starzzz]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Wow...just wow. I mean...wow! Let's see, what's worse? Being punched in the face, or being shot and paralyzed?

I mean I'm not justifying what Taylor is alleged to have done once, but there is just no comparison. Some say PacMan is just at the wrong place at the wrong time. But it seems like he's always in the wrong place at always the wrong time.

For his sake, I hope he's got his act together now.

I'm not saying Pacman is an angel, by no means am I saying that. My point was that there was no proof that Pac shot that man himself. And in all those other incidents, I don't buy that (wrong place, wrong time) crap either, but 9 times out of ten he wasn't found guilty of those situation. ST was waiving a gun in HIS HANDS.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by starzzz

I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.

how many drug dealers was ST hanging with? how many had cars with pacman embroidery on the seats?

yeah, keep talking.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by starzzz

I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.

Sean wasn't involved in a dozen police investigations. He made one mistake. Granted it was a bad one, but to compare him to Pacman... Well, you're a cowgirls fan. I expect nothing less from a scumbag team that hasn't won a playoff game in going on 13 years. So sad....

[starzzz]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Sean wasn't involved in a dozen police investigations. He made one mistake. Granted it was a bad one, but to compare him to Pacman... Well, you're a cowgirls fan. I expect nothing less from a scumbag team that hasn't won a playoff game in going on 13 years. So sad....

The game is played to win SUPER BOWLS, not playoff games. By the way, when was the last time you guys won a SUPERBOWL??!! Did you just say something?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by starzzz

I noticed how you singled out Pacman. Let's see, ST went looking for people with his boys, pulled a gun on them, pointing it at them, then had them beat up. Was your blood boiling when ST was given another chance? By the way Pacman's charges weren't as serious as ST's.

First, where are you from? Anywhere in TX or are you just a Cowgirls fan?

Second, while you may be technically correct, the actual charges faced by Taylor were worse in terms of potential jail time than any that have faced Pacman thusfar. However let's take a look at their track records, not to mention as SS did, the results(Taylor-an punch in the face to Pacman-permanent paralysis):

Taylor:
10/27/2004 - DUI & Speeding. Acquitted of DUI

6/3/2005 - Aggravated Assault w/Firearm, Misdeamenor Battery. Additional counts of Agg Assault added later. All charges dropped in plea agreement, no felony record.

Pacman:
7/13/2005 - Assault & Felony vandalism from a nightclub incident. I believe he received probation.

9/5/2005 - Another nightclub incident, no charges filed.

2/2006 - felony and misdeamenor obstruction of justice for another incident.

8/25/2006 - Disorderly conduct, public intoxication stemming from ANOTHER nightclub incident. Probation.

10/26/2006 - Misdeamenor assault for spitting in a woman's face during a private party at....yes ANOTHER nightclub.

2/19/2007 - The Las Vegas strip club incident which left a man paralyzed (and could've wound up with people dead). After Pacman slammed a dancer's head on stage (seems he's got issues with women) and an "alleged" associate (member of his posse) came back firing shots. On a side note, this guy is all class. Nothing says class like walking into a high dollar strip club in Vegas with a garbage bag filled with $ 80K. Then proceeding to "make it rain" and slamming a dancer's head into the stage after she's picking up the cash.

5/7/2007 - Speeding.

6/18/2007 - Questioned for a shooting at....guess where...an Atlanta strip club. His cronies were involved, but he was not present so no charges were filed.

1/2008 - Before a hearing with the NFL Commish to discuss his suspension???? Another incident for punching a woman in the face in....a strip club. Charges dropped.

Sean had one major incident and it was because he decided he wasn't going to get punked by someone stealing his stuff (not agreeing with it, major league bad decision that could've turned out horribly). However after this incident he was a model citizen and devoted to God, his family, and teammates.

Pacman was a thug, got money and turned into a more destructive thug, and will always be either be an inmate or a thug. He's also a soft punk hitting and spitting on women...big tough guy. In the Vegas incident, rather than take on the bouncer himself he has six or more of his cronies help him in the fight and then sends one back to shoot at people.

You may be high on Pacman now, you won't be when he either fails drug tests or is involved in another strip club incident (hopefully no one is killed this time). If you have a guy with problems in strip clubs, Dallas is not the best place for him.

[starzzz]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

First, where are you from? Anywhere in TX or are you just a Cowgirls fan?

Second, while you may be technically correct, the actual charges faced by Taylor were worse in terms of potential jail time than any that have faced Pacman thusfar. However let's take a look at their track records, not to mention as SS did, the results(Taylor-an punch in the face to Pacman-permanent paralysis):

Taylor:
10/27/2004 - DUI & Speeding. Acquitted of DUI

6/3/2005 - Aggravated Assault w/Firearm, Misdeamenor Battery. Additional counts of Agg Assault added later. All charges dropped in plea agreement, no felony record.

Pacman:
7/13/2005 - Assault & Felony vandalism from a nightclub incident. I believe he received probation.

9/5/2005 - Another nightclub incident, no charges filed.

2/2006 - felony and misdeamenor obstruction of justice for another incident.

8/25/2006 - Disorderly conduct, public intoxication stemming from ANOTHER nightclub incident. Probation.

10/26/2006 - Misdeamenor assault for spitting in a woman's face during a private party at....yes ANOTHER nightclub.

2/19/2007 - The Las Vegas strip club incident which left a man paralyzed (and could've wound up with people dead). After Pacman slammed a dancer's head on stage (seems he's got issues with women) and an "alleged" associate (member of his posse) came back firing shots. On a side note, this guy is all class. Nothing says class like walking into a high dollar strip club in Vegas with a garbage bag filled with $ 80K. Then proceeding to "make it rain" and slamming a dancer's head into the stage after she's picking up the cash.

5/7/2007 - Speeding.

6/18/2007 - Questioned for a shooting at....guess where...an Atlanta strip club. His cronies were involved, but he was not present so no charges were filed.

1/2008 - Before a hearing with the NFL Commish to discuss his suspension???? Another incident for punching a woman in the face in....a strip club. Charges dropped.

Sean had one major incident and it was because he decided he wasn't going to get punked by someone stealing his stuff (not agreeing with it, major league bad decision that could've turned out horribly). However after this incident he was a model citizen and devoted to God, his family, and teammates.

Pacman was a thug, got money and turned into a more destructive thug, and will always be either be an inmate or a thug. He's also a soft punk hitting and spitting on women...big tough guy. In the Vegas incident, rather than take on the bouncer himself he has six or more of his cronies help him in the fight and then sends one back to shoot at people.

You may be high on Pacman now, you won't be when he either fails drug tests or is involved in another strip club incident (hopefully no one is killed this time). If you have a guy with problems in strip clubs, Dallas is not the best place for him.

All those charges you have posted are legit, I'm not questioning that, but SHOW ME WHERE AND WHEN HE WAS THE ACTUAL SHOOTER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE REAL DUMMY IS THE GUY WHO LISTENED TO PACMAN IF THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED, UNTIL THEN SHUT THE **** UP!!

[starzzz]

The greatest team ever has to be the 85 bears.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by starzzz

The greatest team ever has to be the 85 bears.

Nope ,you might want to look a the Steelers of the 70's

[starzzz]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Nope ,you might want to look a the Steelers of the 70's

The only reason I chose the 85 bears, they had what I think was the best defense ever assembled, to go along with a very good offense.