Canada: Man decapitated on bus

hesscl34 · 07-31-2008, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Riggo44

I thought the same thing at first. But the guy did have a big butcher knife which I'm sure persuaded a few of the passengers to stand back. This story really is straight out of a horror movie.

The poor kid was screaming while having his guts ripped out BEFORE he had his head cut off... I'm sorry, I just cannot accept that NO ONE tried to help this boy. That is a disgrace. A few grown men could have knocked him over and took the knife….

Schneed10 · 07-31-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok 30 people fled the bus and no one even tried to stop the guy. I bet now they will want to ban smoking because he smoked a cig before the attack. I still cannot believe no one jumped in.

If the knife was big enough to cut a dude's head off, the guy was probably as good as dead after the first stab anyway.

I'd intervene in a lot of situations, but when a guy has a knife that huge it's hard to see how the odds would be in favor of me succeeding.

hesscl34 · 07-31-2008, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

If the knife was big enough to cut a dude's head off, the guy was probably as good as dead after the first stab anyway.

I'd intervene in a lot of situations, but when a guy has a knife that huge it's hard to see how the odds would be in favor of me succeeding.

It's a human life... you would think someone (out of 30) would have thought more about that young man’s life instead of themselves and try to intervene… Or it all happened too fast... it's just sick.

SmootSmack · 07-31-2008, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

It's a human life... you would think someone (out of 30) would have thought more about that young man’s life instead of themselves and try to intervene… Or it all happened too fast... it's just sick.

Some people are just selfish. Selfish isn't even the right word, really. It's too harsh, it's really just about survival. It's easy to think you'll be a hero in situations like that, but the actual act is much more difficult.

Also, in situations like that people often do think about others, but it's not necessarily the person in danger. Imagine it was you on the bus and you thought of intervening. I would be willing to bet that one of your first thoughts would be about someone else, but it wouldn't be the boy getting cut up. Instead you would probably be thinking "What happens to my son if I don't survive this."

JoeRedskin · 07-31-2008, 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by hesscl34

It's a human life... you would think someone (out of 30) would have thought more about that young man’s life instead of themselves and try to intervene… Or it all happened too fast... it's just sick.

You're sitting on a bus, someone starts to scream and you see someone else run for the exit and someone else jumping out the back emergency exit. What's your reaction? To calmly survey the scene and avoid the human traffic and attack the butcher? It was probably over so fast that no one had time to react.

MTK · 07-31-2008, 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Ok 30 people fled the bus and no one even tried to stop the guy. I bet now they will want to ban smoking because he smoked a cig before the attack. I still cannot believe no one jumped in.

You must be joking. A guy is getting his head sawed off by a freaking maniac and you think someone should have jumped in??

Would you have?

saden1 · 07-31-2008, 07:41 PM

Dude was done for the moment he got stabbed in the neck. As for stepping in, I would but certainly not without a weapon or at least better odds in terms of man power. It's easy to say do something, but doing something without the chance of succeeding is not only foolish but unhelpful. You're no good to anyone if you're getting stabbed to death too.

Honestly though this is the most horrible thing I have ever heard and reminiscent of the sort of things you see in horror movies (American Psycho, Taking Lives, etc). Just thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach...it all seems surreal.

MTK · 07-31-2008, 08:02 PM

The guys be mentally ill... there's no way a sane person could do such a thing.

jbcjr14 · 07-31-2008, 10:01 PM

Wow, that is really all I can say right now.

DynamiteRave · 07-31-2008, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You must be joking. A guy is getting his head sawed off by a freaking maniac and you think someone should have jumped in??

Would you have?

I'd have to agree with this, it's easy to say your shoulda, couldas and wouldas when you're not there but as soon as you're in a life-threatening situation everything changes. You also put your life in jeopardy (and possibly other innocents, considering the cirumstance at hand) trying to be a hero.

And it's not like everyone bailed out and let the guy do his thing, reading further into it says 3 people barricaded the doors to prevent him from leaving while he tried to swipe at them.

But as someone else said earlier, the kid was more than likely dead after the first few stabbings. People should be thankful that there was just one causality instead of the entire bus considering the dude who did this is obviously certifiable.

Alas, a tragedy is what it is. Poor guy didn't even have a chance to fight back. I feel for his family..

Schneed10 · 07-31-2008, 11:12 PM

See, here's the thing. If you see a couple punk teenagers on the street wailing on a homeless guy with their fists, then it's relatively easy to intervene. You see no weapons, you get the fit of rage from seeing someone doing that, and you take one of them down hard.

But a dude with a gigantic knife? If you're unarmed? Hard to see how you're coming out a winner, unless you're combat-trained. You can get lots of punches in and he's still standing, but if he gets one knife on you then you go down in a heap and you're helpless from there on in.

RedskinRat · 08-01-2008, 08:11 AM

Interesting....Well, from the comfort of my office and typing on a PC I'd say without doubt I would at least have a go. I couldn't live with the fact that someone was butchered and I didn't do anything. Think about this: The attacker was stabbing and then sawing at the dude. He's not focused on anyone else. It is certainly easier to disarm someone from behind than to have someone place their full attention on you.
I would hope that one person taking the initiative would have the effect of galvanizing other passengers into action.

This also would have been a good time for a concealed firearm to be used. CCW's save lives.

Oh, and if you've never suffered through the Nick Berg or any other beheading video I can tell you the knife can take a while to kill. One stab won't kill you unless it's very well placed.

Poor kid.

hesscl34 · 08-01-2008, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Some people are just selfish. Selfish isn't even the right word, really. It's too harsh, it's really just about survival. It's easy to think you'll be a hero in situations like that, but the actual act is much more difficult.

Also, in situations like that people often do think about others, but it's not necessarily the person in danger. Imagine it was you on the bus and you thought of intervening. I would be willing to bet that one of your first thoughts would be about someone else, but it wouldn't be the boy getting cut up. Instead you would probably be thinking "What happens to my son if I don't survive this."

I read more about it this morning, and they said the passengers were stunned to hear blood curdling screaming coming from the boy, and that is when they all exited the bus.... after they exited three men went back into the bus to try to help and the crazy dude was sitting on top of the boy cutting off his head at that point....

Smoot, after thinking about this some more I think if my son and I were on the bus as passengers together and he wanted to jump in to help this kid (which I believe he would have) I probably would have tried to stop him because I wouldn’t want him to get hurt.

I find this whole story very sickening.... There are some seriously ill people in this world.

jdlea · 08-01-2008, 12:06 PM

This is probably the most disturbing thing I've heard in a long time...just flat out sick

firstdown · 08-01-2008, 12:10 PM

I guess I should have been more clear about saying I cannot believe no one tried to help. I was not there so maybe they all made the right choice to get off the bus. I just find it hard to believe that someone did not try to help the guy. Its human nature to step in and help others even while risking your own safty but I might have knock people down myself trying to get off that bus.

07-31-2008, 07:41 PM	#22
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus Dude was done for the moment he got stabbed in the neck. As for stepping in, I would but certainly not without a weapon or at least better odds in terms of man power. It's easy to say do something, but doing something without the chance of succeeding is not only foolish but unhelpful. You're no good to anyone if you're getting stabbed to death too. Honestly though this is the most horrible thing I have ever heard and reminiscent of the sort of things you see in horror movies (American Psycho, Taking Lives, etc). Just thinking about it makes me sick to my stomach...it all seems surreal. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins Last edited by saden1; 07-31-2008 at 09:47 PM.

07-31-2008, 08:02 PM	#23
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,569	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus The guys be mentally ill... there's no way a sane person could do such a thing. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

07-31-2008, 10:01 PM	#24
jbcjr14 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Austin, Texas Age: 54 Posts: 2,015	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus Wow, that is really all I can say right now. __________________ "Work Harder: millions on welfare are counting on you" - Obama 2009 address to Congress.

07-31-2008, 11:12 PM	#26
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,426	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus See, here's the thing. If you see a couple punk teenagers on the street wailing on a homeless guy with their fists, then it's relatively easy to intervene. You see no weapons, you get the fit of rage from seeing someone doing that, and you take one of them down hard. But a dude with a gigantic knife? If you're unarmed? Hard to see how you're coming out a winner, unless you're combat-trained. You can get lots of punches in and he's still standing, but if he gets one knife on you then you go down in a heap and you're helpless from there on in. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

08-01-2008, 08:11 AM	#27
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus Interesting....Well, from the comfort of my office and typing on a PC I'd say without doubt I would at least have a go. I couldn't live with the fact that someone was butchered and I didn't do anything. Think about this: The attacker was stabbing and then sawing at the dude. He's not focused on anyone else. It is certainly easier to disarm someone from behind than to have someone place their full attention on you. I would hope that one person taking the initiative would have the effect of galvanizing other passengers into action. This also would have been a good time for a concealed firearm to be used. CCW's save lives. Oh, and if you've never suffered through the Nick Berg or any other beheading video I can tell you the knife can take a while to kill. One stab won't kill you unless it's very well placed. Poor kid.

08-01-2008, 12:06 PM	#29
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus This is probably the most disturbing thing I've heard in a long time...just flat out sick

08-01-2008, 12:10 PM	#30
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Canada: Man decapitated on bus I guess I should have been more clear about saying I cannot believe no one tried to help. I was not there so maybe they all made the right choice to get off the bus. I just find it hard to believe that someone did not try to help the guy. Its human nature to step in and help others even while risking your own safty but I might have knock people down myself trying to get off that bus.

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