Opening Day draft grade?

[budw38]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Too early to give anyone a meaningful grade. I'll say incomplete, extra work required.

I would have to agree with that . As far as Tryon , B. Wilburn looked bad his first 2 years and he and B. davis made major contributions to the 1987 Super Champion Washington Redskins . Hopefully Kelly and Thomas are tough and will work very hard at being the best WR's possible .

[Jamaican'Skin]

I'll give it a "See Me After Class"

[Ruhskins]

I think it is too early to tell. Otherwise I would have to give you something along the lines that Thomas and Kelly were a waste of picks and Tryon should have been picked in the 6th round. And given the preseason play Davis, Rinehart, Horton, Jackson, and Brooks were good picks; and mancrush Colt was a bit of a steal and a good player that can develop into a really good backup and later on a starter for the future.

[redskinjim]

both recievers picks were a waste. we need help at safety where we could have gotten kenny phillips whome we will see playing for the giants thursday night.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by redskinjim

both recievers picks were a waste. we need help at safety where we could have gotten kenny phillips whome we will see playing for the giants thursday night.

Great post.
Given huge hole that ST's death has created in the center of our defensive backfield, and combined with my opinion that that Doughty is not the long term answer, I have serious concerns about our defense. I hope I am wrong.
Doughty has to be protected and former coach Williams was a master of helping Doughty, Doughty is the weak link. Our defense has holes that will be exploited at times this year. I am worried about the most basic skill a decent defense has to have, stop the run. I do not see the players there, namely our depth on defensive line, LB's and most importantly safety IMO is very suspect.
And our FO decided to go offense on most of our picks this year. Picking a second string TE high is a luxory pick a super bowl contender uses, not the current Redskins.
Plus add in that our backup WR's outplayed our awesome WR draft picks.
One telling fact is if you put S. Moss, ARE and Doughty on a draft board, it is clear who the lesser player and weakness is.
It is not good in the short term and a risky gamble to cut better players in favor of draft picks that are not playing well right now. We may have some misfires early in the season. I hope not.

[memphisskin]

Grade B.

The receivers will surprise, Rhinehart looks like a keeper, and Tryon will develop into the nickel back covering the slot. Whats not to like?

redskinjim, I agree that we may have blown it by passing on Phillips. But I think Thomas and Kelly will make an impact before this year is out.

[RMSkins]

If I had to give grades to our rookies just based on preseason results mine would be:
Devin Thomas F: He looks flat out scared when he is on the field. Tenative on Kick returns, let's the ball come to his body instead of catching it with his hands, and from what we're hearing he can't grasp the playbook. Hopefully Devin can turn things around, but it doesn't look like we'll be seeing to much productivity from him in a few years. I think he has a 50% chance to be a flat out bust.

Malcolm Kelly F/Inc: Have to give him an F because he can't even get on the field. Chronic health problems have to concern the FO. If Kelly can ever get healthy I think he will end up being more productive than Thomas.

Fred Davis B-: I would like to see improve his blocking, but he looks to be a keeper. I expect Davis to be the most productive out of the "big three" this season.

Chad Rinehart C: Looks great one game looks awful the next. I do like his versatility on the line though given that he can play Tackle and Guard. Hopefully he can become more consistent.

Justin Tryon F: Has a big mouth, but he can't back up any of his talk. I have no idea how he made the roster. Almost every time I saw an opposing receiver catch the ball I would see Tryon running behind him.

Durant Brooks C-: Was outperformed by Frost in the preseason which isn't a very good sign. I will give Brooks the benefit of the doubt, but he hasn't shown me anything yet.

Kareem Moore B-: Needs to work on his angles a bit, but I fully expect him to become a major contributer with us. He showed me that he can come up and play the run, he's a solid tackler, and he looks decent in coverage. So far he's probably the pick I am most excited about. I am a bit concerned with his knee though.

Rob Jackson C+: A prototypical speed rusher. I like his hustle, but he seems to disappear a lot. He also needs to work on his run game.

Chris Horton B-: I think Chris, like Kareem, will become a major contributer for us in the near future. He needs to work on his tackling a bit, and he wasn't really tested in coverage to much, but he is a good blitzer and he can play special teams.

Colt Brennan B: Definitely the most productive player out of all the draft picks. So far Colt looks like he can contribute at some level in the NFL. I think Colt is going to end up being a good #2 in his career, who knows, maybe he can become a starter, but he still has a lot of work to do before he can achieve that.

Remember, before anyone decides to blast me, that these grades are based PURELY off of preseason performances, and things that the coaches have said about the players.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

If I had to give grades to our rookies just based on preseason results mine would be:
Devin Thomas F: He looks flat out scared when he is on the field. Tenative on Kick returns, let's the ball come to his body instead of catching it with his hands, and from what we're hearing he can't grasp the playbook. Hopefully Devin can turn things around, but it doesn't look like we'll be seeing to much productivity from him in a few years. I think he has a 50% chance to be a flat out bust.

Malcolm Kelly F/Inc: Have to give him an F because he can't even get on the field. Chronic health problems have to concern the FO. If Kelly can ever get healthy I think he will end up being more productive than Thomas.

Fred Davis B-: I would like to see improve his blocking, but he looks to be a keeper. I expect Davis to be the most productive out of the "big three" this season.

Chad Rinehart C: Looks great one game looks awful the next. I do like his versatility on the line though given that he can play Tackle and Guard. Hopefully he can become more consistent.

Justin Tryon F: Has a big mouth, but he can't back up any of his talk. I have no idea how he made the roster. Almost every time I saw an opposing receiver catch the ball I would see Tryon running behind him.

Durant Brooks C-: Was outperformed by Frost in the preseason which isn't a very good sign. I will give Brooks the benefit of the doubt, but he hasn't shown me anything yet.

Kareem Moore B-: Needs to work on his angles a bit, but I fully expect him to become a major contributer with us. He showed me that he can come up and play the run, he's a solid tackler, and he looks decent in coverage. So far he's probably the pick I am most excited about. I am a bit concerned with his knee though.

Rob Jackson C+: A prototypical speed rusher. I like his hustle, but he seems to disappear a lot. He also needs to work on his run game.

Chris Horton B-: I think Chris, like Kareem, will become a major contributer for us in the near future. He needs to work on his tackling a bit, and he wasn't really tested in coverage to much, but he is a good blitzer and he can play special teams.

Colt Brennan B: Definitely the most productive player out of all the draft picks. So far Colt looks like he can contribute at some level in the NFL. I think Colt is going to end up being a good #2 in his career, who knows, maybe he can become a starter, but he still has a lot of work to do before he can achieve that.

Remember, before anyone decides to blast me, that these grades are based PURELY off of preseason performances, and things that the coaches have said about the players.

Nice post. I think the C+ on Jackson might be too generous. If he is a prototypical speed rusher then how come he only got to the passer once (against Indianapolis) and only when he was completely unblocked. Ideally he should have gone on to the practice squad.

Your point on Moore and his taking bad angles is spot on. He took some horrible angles against Carolina and is a big reason why long runs turned into long touchdown runs. But he also showed some athleticism and you can improve the other stuff.

[EXoffender]

Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

Nice post. I think the C+ on Jackson might be too generous. If he is a prototypical speed rusher then how come he only got to the passer once (against Indianapolis) and only when he was completely unblocked. Ideally he should have gone on to the practice squad.

Your point on Moore and his taking bad angles is spot on. He took some horrible angles against Carolina and is a big reason why long runs turned into long touchdown runs. But he also showed some athleticism and you can improve the other stuff.

Jackson has a least two sacks this preseason. I agree with you both. Moore can improve but, who knew that Landry would be down for so long? In hindsight, maybe looking to stay in the first round and drafting a safety would give a lot of security now but, a even better scenario would've been drafting Tyrell Johnson from Arkansas State (Minn) in the second.

[SC Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EXoffender

Jackson has a least two sacks this preseason. I agree with you both. Moore can improve but, who knew that Landry would be down for so long? In hindsight, maybe looking to stay in the first round and drafting a safety would give a lot of security now but, a even better scenario would've been drafting Tyrell Johnson from Arkansas State (Minn) in the second.

You're right on Jackson. I missed the Jets game because I was studying for comps so that is why it didn't come to mind I guess. He still didn't do much to impress me during the games and my impression was that he was actually slower off the ball than I'd like to see. But he's a 7th round pick, so obviously he's not going to be Dwight Freeny. Maybe a C+ graded on a curve (i.e. accounting for his low draft status). I still think he could have made it through waivers pretty easily and could have spent the year on the practice squad. Which would have allowed Billy McMullen to hang around.

I agree with you that Tyrell Johnson looks like a good idea in hindsight. He went 43rd, though, so that would have meant skipping on Thomas and taking Johnson at 34. I think most of us were pretty excited about getting Thomas at the top of the 2nd.

[That Guy]

i was all about getting us some kenny phillips, but we'll see how it goes.

[That Guy]

frost DID NOT outperform brooks... frost had a higher punt average, but his net (punt yardage - return yardage) was 2 yards worse. frost kicks line drives and the coverage teams can't get there fast enough - brooks kicks moonshots.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

frost DID NOT outperform brooks... frost had a higher punt average, but his net (punt yardage - return yardage) was 2 yards worse. frost kicks line drives and the coverage teams can't get there fast enough - brooks kicks moonshots.

For us to use a draft pick on a punter, supposedely the best punter in college, he better be able to come in here and wipe the floor with a mediocre Derrick Frost, and he didn't even come close to doing that.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by RMSkins

For us to use a draft pick on a punter, supposedely the best punter in college, he better be able to come in here and wipe the floor with a mediocre Derrick Frost, and he didn't even come close to doing that.

a) he's a rookie
b) he wasn't drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.
c) he still beat him in the stat that matters, net average.

jeez.

[RMSkins]

Originally Posted by That Guy

a) he's a rookie
b) he wasn't drafted in the 1st or 2nd round.
c) he still beat him in the stat that matters, net average.

jeez.

I don't buy the rookie excuse for a punter, there isn't that much of a learning curve. The point is Brooks didn't convincingly outperform Frost, and Frost is in the bottom tier of NFL punters. That really worries me. Like I said, I will give Brooks and the coaching staff the benefit of the doubt, but I really don't believe that Brooks is going to be that much of an upgrade.