Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell?

Paintrain · 09-10-2008, 05:22 PM

The best coaches do that, adapt their style to their players. Look at the difference between Reid and Zorn.. Same coaching tree from Holmgren but Reid has always had significant deep ball components to his game because that's one of McNabb's strengths. He uses the screen more than ever (and more than most WCO teams) because it's Westbrook's strength.. Maximizing your talent to win games is what great coaching is about, not making players excel in 'your scheme'.

skinsfan69 · 09-10-2008, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

The best coaches do that, adapt their style to their players. Look at the difference between Reid and Zorn.. Same coaching tree from Holmgren but Reid has always had significant deep ball components to his game because that's one of McNabb's strengths. He uses the screen more than ever (and more than most WCO teams) because it's Westbrook's strength.. Maximizing your talent to win games is what great coaching is about, not making players excel in 'your scheme'.

Great point Paintrain. I've always thought Reid is one of the best coaches in the NFL.

Daseal · 09-10-2008, 05:27 PM

The Campbell thing is being overdone in my opinion. IF Campbell sucks it up all season, look for him to be replaced via the draft for someone Zorn feels fits the west coast system a bit better. Personally, I think Campbell will be fine and be here for many years to come. I think part of the reason JC is getting ripped so hard is how confident he was acting as if the pre-season blowouts and all around meager offensive drives shouldn't be a reason for concern.

PS -- Been swamped, I still read -- havent abandoned ship after the loss =p

firstdown · 09-10-2008, 05:32 PM

How come JC can see the guy 5 yards infront of the line but cannot see a guy 18 yards down field. It sounds like he has selective seeing.

53Fan · 09-10-2008, 05:46 PM

I think the point is so he can see the WHOLE field better to switch off one receiver to another.

53Fan · 09-10-2008, 05:49 PM

He needs help right now to make quick adjustments until he gets comfortable with the offense. Again ... only been one game.

skinsfan69 · 09-10-2008, 05:56 PM

Let's just see how it goes on Sun. This subject has been beaten to death.

JWsleep · 09-10-2008, 05:57 PM

I like the Boswell article--good points, no doubt.

But there's another factor here, one downplayed due to JCs struggles: the rest of the offense has to play BETTER. They're learning this thing too, and they have not always been sharp. Minimize stupid penalties. Pickup the right blocking assignments in both pass pro and the run game. Receivers have to run the right routes---please run PAST the 1st down sticks! And so on. While JC is part of the problem (and hopefully part of the solution!) the rest of the team needs to step it up!!! Give the man some help.

Ruhskins · 09-11-2008, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by JWsleep

I like the Boswell article--good points, no doubt.

But there's another factor here, one downplayed due to JCs struggles: the rest of the offense has to play BETTER. They're learning this thing too, and they have not always been sharp. Minimize stupid penalties. Pickup the right blocking assignments in both pass pro and the run game. Receivers have to run the right routes---please run PAST the 1st down sticks! And so on. While JC is part of the problem (and hopefully part of the solution!) the rest of the team needs to step it up!!! Give the man some help.

I think this was clearly shown by AREs two false starts....I think when ur WRs are causing false start penalties, your offense is not up to speed.

DIRTEE · 09-10-2008, 06:18 PM

I believe its give and take. Let him shotgun it until he's ready (more comfortable) to take it from under center. I believe switching to shotgun is short term. Campbell will make the necessary adjustments and the offense will be flowing. We will have a top 10 offense by week 10. F the naysayers.

saden1 · 09-10-2008, 06:39 PM

A coach should do whatever it takes to make sure he's QB is in a position to win.

That Guy · 09-10-2008, 07:00 PM

look - during gibbs II we were strong on screens, on that 3rd and 2 dump off to cooley, on the moss deep balls, running zone and up to middle, HB passes, etc... use what works. right now the big WRs that are needed for his WCO are sidelined, and two of his best receiving threats are TEs - so use them. line up sellers and alexander as blocking TEs or the goalline, whatever it takes.

steveo395 · 09-10-2008, 07:08 PM

Isn't it the head coaches job to adjust to his teams strengths and design a scheme to fit the players? This is the coaches job and anybody who is not doing that is retarded.

theJBexperience · 09-10-2008, 07:20 PM

I hate to be harsh, but I think the whole can't see the field thing is just an excuse. Obviously, I don't know for sure, but that's what it sounds like to me. Is a former first round pick who the FO wants to build around really going to admit, "I'm not trusting my receivers. I don't know how to make the right the reads. I don't know what I'm doing in this new offense. I'm overwhelmed."

On a side note, didn't Campbell lobby for a WCO, since he ran it so well in college or was that the brainchild of someone else. I don't remember.

Hog1 · 09-10-2008, 08:46 PM

The prescription for success may have come from JC himself.
He said " I need to get back to playin Jason Campbell football. Just drop back and let it go". JC does not look comfortable, happy. Very tenative.
Maybe he needs to just.......relax and play JC ball?

09-10-2008, 05:22 PM	#1
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 55 Posts: 5,006	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? The best coaches do that, adapt their style to their players. Look at the difference between Reid and Zorn.. Same coaching tree from Holmgren but Reid has always had significant deep ball components to his game because that's one of McNabb's strengths. He uses the screen more than ever (and more than most WCO teams) because it's Westbrook's strength.. Maximizing your talent to win games is what great coaching is about, not making players excel in 'your scheme'. __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

09-10-2008, 05:27 PM	#3
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? The Campbell thing is being overdone in my opinion. IF Campbell sucks it up all season, look for him to be replaced via the draft for someone Zorn feels fits the west coast system a bit better. Personally, I think Campbell will be fine and be here for many years to come. I think part of the reason JC is getting ripped so hard is how confident he was acting as if the pre-season blowouts and all around meager offensive drives shouldn't be a reason for concern. PS -- Been swamped, I still read -- havent abandoned ship after the loss =p __________________ Best. Player. Available.

09-10-2008, 05:32 PM	#4
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? How come JC can see the guy 5 yards infront of the line but cannot see a guy 18 yards down field. It sounds like he has selective seeing.

09-10-2008, 05:46 PM	#5
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I think the point is so he can see the WHOLE field better to switch off one receiver to another.

09-10-2008, 05:49 PM	#6
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? He needs help right now to make quick adjustments until he gets comfortable with the offense. Again ... only been one game.

09-10-2008, 05:56 PM	#7
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,592	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? Let's just see how it goes on Sun. This subject has been beaten to death.

09-10-2008, 05:57 PM	#8
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 57 Posts: 4,719	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I like the Boswell article--good points, no doubt. But there's another factor here, one downplayed due to JCs struggles: the rest of the offense has to play BETTER. They're learning this thing too, and they have not always been sharp. Minimize stupid penalties. Pickup the right blocking assignments in both pass pro and the run game. Receivers have to run the right routes---please run PAST the 1st down sticks! And so on. While JC is part of the problem (and hopefully part of the solution!) the rest of the team needs to step it up!!! Give the man some help. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-10-2008, 06:18 PM	#10
DIRTEE Special Teams Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 256	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I believe its give and take. Let him shotgun it until he's ready (more comfortable) to take it from under center. I believe switching to shotgun is short term. Campbell will make the necessary adjustments and the offense will be flowing. We will have a top 10 offense by week 10. F the naysayers.

09-10-2008, 06:39 PM	#11
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 46 Posts: 10,069	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? A coach should do whatever it takes to make sure he's QB is in a position to win. __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

09-10-2008, 07:00 PM	#12
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 43 Posts: 17,620	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? look - during gibbs II we were strong on screens, on that 3rd and 2 dump off to cooley, on the moss deep balls, running zone and up to middle, HB passes, etc... use what works. right now the big WRs that are needed for his WCO are sidelined, and two of his best receiving threats are TEs - so use them. line up sellers and alexander as blocking TEs or the goalline, whatever it takes.

09-10-2008, 07:08 PM	#13
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? Isn't it the head coaches job to adjust to his teams strengths and design a scheme to fit the players? This is the coaches job and anybody who is not doing that is retarded. __________________

09-10-2008, 07:20 PM	#14
theJBexperience Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Boone, NC Posts: 579	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? I hate to be harsh, but I think the whole can't see the field thing is just an excuse. Obviously, I don't know for sure, but that's what it sounds like to me. Is a former first round pick who the FO wants to build around really going to admit, "I'm not trusting my receivers. I don't know how to make the right the reads. I don't know what I'm doing in this new offense. I'm overwhelmed." On a side note, didn't Campbell lobby for a WCO, since he ran it so well in college or was that the brainchild of someone else. I don't remember.

09-10-2008, 08:46 PM	#15
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Should Zorn Adapt to Campbell? The prescription for success may have come from JC himself. He said " I need to get back to playin Jason Campbell football. Just drop back and let it go". JC does not look comfortable, happy. Very tenative. Maybe he needs to just.......relax and play JC ball? __________________ Goodbye Sean..........Vaya Con Dios thankyou Joe....... *“God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.” – Joe Gibbs* Last edited by Hog1; 09-11-2008 at 06:02 AM.

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