F... Josh Howard

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Warren85Ellard

I'd be more pissed if Dirk Nowitzki said "fuck this star spangled shit, I'm German."

Why exactly would you be MORE pissed? AT least Dirk is german, Howard is American. Either way would not be taken well imo, but to be more pissed at someone that is not a US citizen???? I don't get it.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

I understand (but do not condone) where he's coming from.

With that said, I would NEVER say something like that personally and come on dude, just put your hand over your damn heart. Or at least keep your mouth shut and at least LOOK respectful. How hard is that?

Ask Obama.

Funny how people are pissed at a spoiled athlete, but look the other direction when a presidential candidate doesn't put his hand over his heart.

note- not saying you are saying that, just making the observation.

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[SmootSmack]

Not putting your hand over your heart but still standing respectfully while the anthem is played is not at all the same thing as the comments Howard made. Not even close

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not putting your hand over your heart but still standing respectfully while the anthem is played is not at all the same thing as the comments Howard made. Not even close

While I'm in the opposite corner of Obama, I'll give him a pass on this one. He's an Ivy Leaguer and it doesn't appear they have a US Govt 101 course in their schools.

The U.S. Flag Code clearly states that during the national anthem, non-military citizens should face the flag and put their right hand over their hearts....or stomach.



EDIT: This is a joke and an attempt to point out that it's unreasonable to jump on Obama because he doesn't always put his hand on his heart during the anthem. Just look around at any sporting event and many people don't have their hands over their hearts, it's not because they're disrespectful they just don't know.

[saden1]

Stomach?

[dmek25]

he is joking. look at the picture

[Daseal]

He's always joking, Dmek.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

While I'm in the opposite corner of Obama, I'll give him a pass on this one. He's an Ivy Leaguer and it doesn't appear they have a US Govt 101 course in their schools.

The U.S. Flag Code clearly states that during the national anthem, non-military citizens should face the flag and put their right hand over their hearts....or stomach.

Note the word "should". There's no law which requires citizens to do anything during the anthem or the pledge of allegiance. Quakers and others have religous doctorines which do not allow them to swear allegiance to governments or countries or to 'respect' idols of any kind.

That's the way it should be. When the police or any government agency can haul you away because you don't salute der fuhrer or stand to respect the flag of the motherland or fatherland, then this country has truly reached a sorry state.

[saden1]

There's a law that says put your hand on your heart but due to the first amendment it's not enforceable. And the stomach doesn't qualify as the heart.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Not putting your hand over your heart but still standing respectfully while the anthem is played is not at all the same thing as the comments Howard made. Not even close

I won't argue that. Clearly you missed what I put in bold when I quoted.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Just look around at any sporting event and many people don't have their hands over their hearts, it's not because they're disrespectful they just don't know.

1- in the case of "others at sporting events", they are not running for president.
2- If they do not know, they are pretty damn stupid. I don't know about you, but in elementary school, I was taught this.
3- there is a SPECIFIC reason as to why Obama did it, don't be fooled.

That being said, Josh Howard lost a ton of respect from me. I am disgusted at his lack of respect for the country that is making him rich.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by jsarno

1- in the case of "others at sporting events", they are not running for president.
2- If they do not know, they are pretty damn stupid. I don't know about you, but in elementary school, I was taught this.
3- there is a SPECIFIC reason as to why Obama did it, don't be fooled.

That being said, Josh Howard lost a ton of respect from me. I am disgusted at his lack of respect for the country that is making him rich.

1. Obama should be more aware of the image he is portraying, absolutely.
2. I wasn't taught this in school, and I'm sure many others aren't either. The only way I knew it is from my parents and being in the military. I can promise you the public school system (at least in Virginia Beach) is not spending any time teaching the US Flag Code.
3. I don't believe that.

You've read several of my other posts, you know I am diametrically opposed to Obama on most issues. But that's the point, I disagree with him philosophically and on issues, not because he didn't put his hand on his heart during the National Anthem a few times. That was my point of posting the Bush picture, what was his hidden agenda by putting his hand on his stomach? None, just a camera on a guy 24x7 and he got lazy for a few moments. Is he not patriotic now?

I guess I'm just fed up with the trash that both sides have put out in election, after election, after election, and it seems to get worse every year.

Something that made me think (which is one of the reasons I enjoy this site, the diverse viewpoints), I was looking at a post saden made a while ago stating his positions on major issues and about 70-80% of his positions were things I agreed with. You would never think that possible if you just looked at the positions he and I take in arguing left vs. right issues (it surprised me).

My point is, it sure would be nice if the folks we send to Congress and the White House could focus on staightening out the 70-80% of things a vast majority of us agree on and work/compromise on the other stuff, rather than the constant partisan bickering and neither side wanting to give an inch on anything because it may affect a special interest contribution or come back to haunt them in a future election.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I won't argue that. Clearly you missed what I put in bold when I quoted.

I didn't miss it. I saw it.

But you said it's funny how people are pissed a spoiled athlete but look the other way when it's come to your Obama clip (to paraphrase).

But if all Howard did was just stand there respectuflly, this wouldn't be an issue.

He did much more than that

[4mrusmc]

It looks like another case where someone wasn't taught the right thing to do from an early age. This guy is a piece of sub-human excrement.

I wonder if this is really the way a vast amount of Obama supporters feel? If so, I'm sorry that they feel that way.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

1- in the case of "others at sporting events", they are not running for president.
2- If they do not know, they are pretty damn stupid. I don't know about you, but in elementary school, I was taught this.
3- there is a SPECIFIC reason as to why Obama did it, don't be fooled.

That being said, Josh Howard lost a ton of respect from me. I am disgusted at his lack of respect for the country that is making him rich.

Yeah, it's because he's a Muslim communist!