McIntosh & Landry

[TaylorMade21]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

Sean Taylor is irreplaceable, but to suggest that "we need a real FS" is just plain ignorant. Landry is a top tier free safety. He's had a few miscues, but so did Taylor, early on in his career.

I wasn't trying to make an ignorant statement. I was more or less just saying how much I miss Sean Taylor. He is irreplaceable, and I think Landry is a great safety. But I think Taylor was the best safety to ever step foot on an NFL thus far.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by TaylorMade21

Yeah, we need a real FS like Sean Taylor. =(

Those don't grow on trees. Taylor was a once a generation talent.

[SUNRA]

Originally Posted by TaylorMade21

Yeah, we need a real FS like Sean Taylor. =(

We do. His name is Chris Horton.

[TaylorMade21]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

We do. His name is Chris Horton.

Lies, Chris Horton is just Sean Taylor reincarnated with dreadlocks!

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SUNRA

We do. His name is Chris Horton.

First off, Chris Horton doesn't play FS, and second, he is definitely no Sean Taylor. I love that Horton has solidified the SS position that seemed shaky with Reid Doughty, but that doesn't make him Sean Taylor's equal.

[#56fanatic]

I dont see it. Landry isn't playing close to the line like Horton, so you are going to see horton making more plays on the RB and shorter passes. Landry is the deep safety roaming the field. He has the speed to cover so much ground it would be silly to have him play as Horton is playing. As far as Rocky goes, remember he is coming off the knee injury, so his speed and explosiveness we have seen may not quite be there. They didn't plan on him coming back until midseason anyway, so the fact that he is out contributing says alot to me. I have seen the guy make plays all season. I think what teams are doing is attacking Marcus more than Rocky. You want to talk about someone not being very productive....lets start with Marcus Washington. The last couple of years have not been very stellar...or marcus washington like. He has been injured, but honestly he is more of a liability to me. He has no speed now, no strength to rush the passer or quickness. He may give us a play or two, but overall....he just isn't all that good anymore.

[redsk1]

I don't agree at all. Our D has been great all season. LL makes virtually every play that comes to him. RM is not a PB yet but has played solidly. Don't understand this thread.

[J. Spanky]

i hate to admit that rocky's play has left something to be desired. however, he is coming back from a major knee injury and has been playing WELL, though not great. just b/c carlos is back w/ a vengeance already, doesn't make it fair to expect that of rocky right away.

but landry. LANDRY??? our defense's stats would be VERY different if he were not there. the difference in how offenses attacked us would be CLEAR AS DAY.

the fact that you DON'T notice landry is a testament to the success he is having.

[TaylorMade21]

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[JLW428]

The fact that we haven't seem much from landry is (in my mind) a good thing. It means he is doing his job. QBs aren't putting the ball anywhere near him because his coverage is excellent. To talk bad about landry not being seen is just stupid. I hope it stays this way for the rest of the season.

Would you rather see QBs test his coverage? Throw the deep ball near him? Maybe for the fact that he has chances to get interceptions, yes. But, that doesn't happen every time.

Stupid to talk bad about Landry.

[Manusky91]

If we saw more of Landry then that means our D-Line, linebackers, corners are not doing their jobs. The quieter he is the better the rest of the team is playing. This thread was started because Landry's been quiet...well can you say #4 ranked defense?

[JLW428]

Looking though these posts, I'm glad that everyone besides about 3 people understand how the FS position is played.

[AnonEmouse]

Originally Posted by JLW428

Looking though these posts, I'm glad that everyone besides about 3 people understand how the FS position is played.

Ain't that the truth! I was reading some of this BS and nearly didn't post, but I thought what the hell.

The FS is the last line of defence. That means he has to cover the deepest threat or backup a CB or cover a designated receiver depending on his responsibility for that play. As some have correctly posted, we haven't had many deep passes against us this year - because he's such a threat. If you look at the Washington catch against Smoot, Landry had man coverage responsibility because of the blitz, hence Smoot was isolated. If you watch that play again you can see how close we got to taking down Leftwich and that's the blitz in a nutshell - when it works you hit them for a big loss, but when it doesn't you run a big risk of a deep ball being completed or a short pass being broken (because you don't have deep coverage).

Landry has roamed sideline to sideline repeatedly this season and provided support to the corners while Horton primarily played run support. How many times have you seen the opposition going underneath or sticking to out patterns to avoid the middle of the field? Answer is a lot of the time. Blache is so confident of Landry, he repeatedly puts 8 in the box and that's why we are so good against the run.

Believe me if we had the Steelers or Titans Dline, we'd be the top ranked D. We have been exposed because QB's get too much time to pass on us. And if we could contain the run with just the front 7 then we'd have a lot more INT's. You think the Titans have a better secondary than us? I'll take Landry and Horton over their two safeties any day, and I'd still pick Carlos over most other CB's in the league based on his overall play this season.

We have one problem on this defence and its called the Dline. If we could fix that right now, this thread wouldn't be here.

[JLW428]

Originally Posted by AnonEmouse

Ain't that the truth! I was reading some of this BS and nearly didn't post, but I thought what the hell.

The FS is the last line of defence. That means he has to cover the deepest threat or backup a CB or cover a designated receiver depending on his responsibility for that play. As some have correctly posted, we haven't had many deep passes against us this year - because he's such a threat. If you look at the Washington catch against Smoot, Landry had man coverage responsibility because of the blitz, hence Smoot was isolated. If you watch that play again you can see how close we got to taking down Leftwich and that's the blitz in a nutshell - when it works you hit them for a big loss, but when it doesn't you run a big risk of a deep ball being completed or a short pass being broken (because you don't have deep coverage).

Landry has roamed sideline to sideline repeatedly this season and provided support to the corners while Horton primarily played run support. How many times have you seen the opposition going underneath or sticking to out patterns to avoid the middle of the field? Answer is a lot of the time. Blache is so confident of Landry, he repeatedly puts 8 in the box and that's why we are so good against the run.

Believe me if we had the Steelers or Titans Dline, we'd be the top ranked D. We have been exposed because QB's get too much time to pass on us. And if we could contain the run with just the front 7 then we'd have a lot more INT's. You think the Titans have a better secondary than us? I'll take Landry and Horton over their two safeties any day, and I'd still pick Carlos over most other CB's in the league based on his overall play this season.

We have one problem on this defence and its called the Dline. If we could fix that right now, this thread wouldn't be here.

Well put. Thank you.

[MonkFan4Life]

I rarely post here but I find it wild how there are so many replaceable players on this team AFTER a loss. How the "preseason star" mentality comes out. No Landry doesn't have a reel of highlights but how many times do you see passes completed and he's there slapping his hands together in disgust ? Rocky has been playing well all year too. Yes he may be caught out of position but WHO ISN'T ? Seriously, this is real life. Not Madden where you can make Demetric Evans the greatest D-Lineman to ever play the game. Guys will make mistakes, but your D isn't rated in the top 10 because it's full of bums. All these players are working and if they weren't getting the job done then the D would be rated a bit lower wouldn't it? Oh yeah, Sean Taylor is gone, STOP comparing Laron to him PLEASE!