Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath

Dirtbag59 · 12-14-2008, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by bjschmonsees

No matter what happens, El will be cut...

What makes you say that. At this point it would be virtually pointless. He's still productive and on top of that he would provide us with about $6 million worth of dead cap. Plus if Cowher comes over you can bet your ass that he's not going anywhere.

bjschmonsees · 12-14-2008, 04:55 PM

Trade Portis if you keep Zorn. Can Zorn, hire Cohwer and Portis runs for 2000+ yards next year...

Dirtbag59 · 12-14-2008, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bjschmonsees

Trade Portis if you keep Zorn. Can Zorn, hire Cohwer and Portis runs for 2000+ yards next year...

You can't Portis would cost us $13 million in dead cap space. Either way Zorn is done. Not only has he lost the team but since the loss to Steelers our offense has averaged 11 points a game. As I've said in other threads the benefits Cowher will bring will be numerous but lately I also find myself with a man crush for Russ Grimm who essentially is in essence a Cowher-Gibbs hybrid. Of course my only concern is how much influence would he have in destroying the current front office structure. Cowher is a virtual gurantee to blow it up. Grimm is more likely to slightly shake it up though I wouldn't mind seeing the team hire a guy like Phil Savage should he become available.

bjschmonsees · 12-14-2008, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You can't Portis would cost us $13 million in dead cap space. Either way Zorn is done.

That's my point. Portis is here. Cowher would run him for 2000+ yards.

MrJL · 12-14-2008, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by bjschmonsees

That's my point. Portis is here. Cowher would run him for 2000+ yards.

wait a minute, if we traded him we'd still take a cap hit? THat's stupid. A trade is just transfering a contract, it should all go to the other team.

And Cowher coaches defense not offense, plus everyone would have to learn another system. So, no he wouldn't get 200 yards.

bjschmonsees · 12-14-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MrJL

wait a minute, if we traded him we'd still take a cap hit? THat's stupid. A trade is just transfering a contract, it should all go to the other team.

And Cowher coaches defense not offense, plus everyone would have to learn another system. So, no he wouldn't get 200 yards.

When you trade a player, all of the remaining signing bonus counts towards the trading team's current salay cap. So we cannot trade Portis...

Dirtbag59 · 12-14-2008, 05:24 PM

Speaking of the draft. The ultimate irony would be finding a way to get Sam Bradford and have him play for the Redskins. Oh well, think about for a second it'll come to you.

TheSmurfs22 · 12-14-2008, 05:33 PM

Got to shore up the O and D- Lines.
Stop with flashy and go with solid.

DCtoAZ · 12-14-2008, 05:34 PM

DRAFT TALK .. it's f*cking December .. how can everyone have such "great" ideas for next season without even letting this shit storm fully settle .. this team was 6-2 .. this is bad .. real bad .. this team went from guts and never say die (gibbs) to reminding me of a norv turner team .. i'm more than dissapointed .. i'm devastated .. anyone who thinks we have anything to trade is hurting in the brain dept.. there are hardly ever any NFL trades .. it's a mess on both lines .. go out and BUY a D-LINE and O-LINE.. i don't who is available or going to be available .. but I think the bashing of our draft picks in 08 isn't going to help much .. DT #11 will be solid .. so will FD#86 .. I believed in Zorn hole heartedly .. but this was really put a black cloud over him .. the bashing of Portis .. the never throw down field mentality .. 4 weeks ago I would have said Cowher was a pipe dream .. now i'm not so sure

MrJL · 12-14-2008, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DCtoAZ

DRAFT TALK .. it's f*cking December .. how can everyone have such "great" ideas for next season without even letting this shit storm fully settle .. this team was 6-2 .. this is bad .. real bad .. this team went from guts and never say die (gibbs) to reminding me of a norv turner team .. i'm more than dissapointed .. i'm devastated .. anyone who thinks we have anything to trade is hurting in the brain dept.. there are hardly ever any NFL trades .. it's a mess on both lines .. go out and BUY a D-LINE and O-LINE.. i don't who is available or going to be available .. but I think the bashing of our draft picks in 08 isn't going to help much .. DT #11 will be solid .. so will FD#86 .. I believed in Zorn hole heartedly .. but this was really put a black cloud over him .. the bashing of Portis .. the never throw down field mentality .. 4 weeks ago I would have said Cowher was a pipe dream .. now i'm not so sure

I saw Campbell set up to throw down field four or five times today. He ended up checking down or throwing intermediate passes.

As for trades, on draft day trades happen quite often. I'm not talking trading player for player, I'm talking players for picks or sweetening a draft pick deal.

vallin21 · 12-14-2008, 05:50 PM

We need a influx of talent. By that I mean getting quality free agents like Hanyesworth and T. Suggs. Draft an offensive lineman with the 1st pick, trade Betts for a few picks, and re- sign Hall.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 12-14-2008, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by vallin21

We need a influx of talent. By that I mean getting quality free agents like Hanyesworth and T. Suggs. Draft an offensive lineman with the 1st pick, trade Betts for a few picks, and re- sign Hall.

Not gonna happen. Haynesworth and Suggs are going to command top dollar and, based on my review of our cap situation, we will not be able to afford to sign two guys of that caliber. Besides, I don't think the Ravens and Titans will let those guys go. As for trading Betts, we wouldn't get more than a 5th round or, at best, a 4th rounder for him. Finally, I'm not sure Hall will re-sign with us. He wants to play for a winning team and, right now, we look like one of the worst teams in the league. Unless Hall really wants to play for the team he grew up rooting for, I think there's a decent chance he'll leave in the offseason.

53Fan · 12-14-2008, 05:58 PM

All I know at this point is, with the way we're playing we should be able to get a high quality player with our first pick.

Defensewins · 12-14-2008, 06:01 PM

If Vinny Cerratto and Daniel Snyder handle another offseason, we will be even worse next season. We are slowly degenerating back to pre-Gibbs years. How much longer will Snyder allow Vinny to be GM?

This is an ego issue. By firing Cerrato, Snyder would have to (1) admit he has been wrong about Cerratto all these years. (2)In order to hire a qualified GM and have a qualified GM want to work here, Snyder would have to let that GM run things with out his interefrence. I am not sure Snyder wants that. Having Cerratto here, he can control him and the Skins.

Larry Michael is Satan · 12-14-2008, 06:29 PM

Since we don't have a 2nd rounder, I think we need to trade down a little to try to pick up two late first rounders somehow, and get a starting RT and LG.
Honestly though, we need so much more young talent that we have the draft picks for. It's kind of sad. Almost as sad as losing to the Bengels.

12-14-2008, 04:55 PM	#2
bjschmonsees Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bethesda, MD Age: 56 Posts: 323	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath Trade Portis if you keep Zorn. Can Zorn, hire Cohwer and Portis runs for 2000+ yards next year...

12-14-2008, 05:24 PM	#7
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 41 Posts: 14,750	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath Speaking of the draft. The ultimate irony would be finding a way to get Sam Bradford and have him play for the Redskins. Oh well, think about for a second it'll come to you. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

12-14-2008, 05:34 PM	#9
DCtoAZ Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Scottsdale, Arizona Age: 45 Posts: 623	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath DRAFT TALK .. it's fcking December .. how can everyone have such "great" ideas for next season without even letting this shit storm fully settle .. this team was 6-2 .. this is bad .. real bad .. this team went from guts and never say die (gibbs) to reminding me of a norv turner team .. i'm more than dissapointed .. i'm devastated .. anyone who thinks we have anything to trade is hurting in the brain dept.. there are hardly ever any NFL trades .. it's a mess on both lines .. go out and BUY a D-LINE and O-LINE.. i don't who is available or going to be available .. but I think the bashing of our draft picks in 08 isn't going to help much .. DT #11 will be solid .. so will FD#86 .. I believed in Zorn hole heartedly .. but this was really put a black cloud over him .. the bashing of Portis .. the never throw down field mentality .. 4 weeks ago I would have said Cowher was a pipe dream .. now i'm not so sure __________________ "FCK THE DALLAS JUMBOTRON" NFC EAST CHAMPS RG3 will be back & #12 can run the show until hes ready.We are young w depth. 23,59,89 will all be back.Alfred Morris aka Diesel Hybrid ! @DCtoAZ81 ...2013 NFC CHAMPS

12-14-2008, 05:58 PM	#13
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath All I know at this point is, with the way we're playing we should be able to get a high quality player with our first pick. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

12-14-2008, 06:01 PM	#14
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,767	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath If Vinny Cerratto and Daniel Snyder handle another offseason, we will be even worse next season. We are slowly degenerating back to pre-Gibbs years. How much longer will Snyder allow Vinny to be GM? This is an ego issue. By firing Cerrato, Snyder would have to (1) admit he has been wrong about Cerratto all these years. (2)In order to hire a qualified GM and have a qualified GM want to work here, Snyder would have to let that GM run things with out his interefrence. I am not sure Snyder wants that. Having Cerratto here, he can control him and the Skins. Last edited by Defensewins; 12-14-2008 at 06:07 PM.

12-14-2008, 05:33 PM	#8
TheSmurfs22 The Starter Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Staunton, VA Posts: 1,261	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath Got to shore up the O and D- Lines. Stop with flashy and go with solid.

12-14-2008, 05:50 PM	#11
vallin21 The Starter Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 1,202	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath We need a influx of talent. By that I mean getting quality free agents like Hanyesworth and T. Suggs. Draft an offensive lineman with the 1st pick, trade Betts for a few picks, and re- sign Hall.

12-14-2008, 06:29 PM	#15
Larry Michael is Satan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 123	Re: Draft Picture Update, Bengals Aftermath Since we don't have a 2nd rounder, I think we need to trade down a little to try to pick up two late first rounders somehow, and get a starting RT and LG. Honestly though, we need so much more young talent that we have the draft picks for. It's kind of sad. Almost as sad as losing to the Bengels.

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