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MTK · 12-30-2008, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.

I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career.

GusFrerotte · 12-30-2008, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamaican'Skin

Heard the Lions want to talk to Spags from the Gmen

That was on Fox Sports.com. I think that would be a very good pickup for the Lions. Marinelli had no business being hired in the first place. It was interesting when Rob Parker and him got into it when Parker brought up his son in law and daughter into the 0-15 discussion. Marinelli got pissed!!!!!

GusFrerotte · 12-30-2008, 12:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Classic comback Matty!!!!!!

saden1 · 12-30-2008, 01:21 AM

Cowher is like Marty Shoty except he has 2 SB appearances and 1 SB win. Not bad if you ask me. Certainly better than anything we have been for almost the last 20 years. I mean, when was the last time we won more than 10 games and not just barely manged to get into the playoffs?

jamf · 12-30-2008, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I don't understand the Cowher lovefest that some people in this forum have (I'm not talking about you 53Fan). The guy is way over rated, I'd hire Jim Schwartz, Spagnuolo or some other assistant before Cowher. A perfect example of a very promising coach is Mike Singletary, not just some retread that won a SB in 14 years.

I agree.
I can't believe every forgot about the Cowher/Kordell Stewert days.

53Fan · 12-30-2008, 02:40 AM

Brian Billick won a Super Bowl but that doesn't mean I think he's a great coach.

saden1 · 12-30-2008, 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by 53Fan

Brian Billick won a Super Bowl but that doesn't mean I think he's a great coach.

He may not be a great coach but if the objective is to win a SB and he has 1 he can't possibly be a bad coach. Granted, I wouldn't hire him but I wouldn't fault anyone else for hiring him nor would I go after Cowher. I'm not interested in lame duck coaches, plus I like Zorn and I would like to give him more time to see what he can do.

djnemo65 · 12-30-2008, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jamf

I agree.
I can't believe every forgot about the Cowher/Kordell Stewert days.

You mean when they went to the AFC Championship twice?

dmek25 · 12-30-2008, 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Mangini firing seems unwarranted. I'm sure he'll be a good head coach sometime in the future.

i cant remember who was calling the jets game, but they kept saying it seems like the coaching staff has no control over whats going on out on the field.

53Fan · 12-30-2008, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by saden1

He may not be a great coach but if the objective is to win a SB and he has 1 he can't possibly be a bad coach. Granted, I wouldn't hire him but I wouldn't fault anyone else for hiring him nor would I go after Cowher. I'm not interested in lame duck coaches, plus I like Zorn and I would like to give him more time to see what he can do.

Oh I don't think Cowher is a bad coach, I think he is a good coach. I just don't think he's the "come in turn everything around and win a Super Bowl right away" guy a lot of people seem to think he is. At least that's the impression I get. Most coaches aren't even given the amount of time to win a Super Bowl Cowher was given in Pittsburgh. Marty went what, 14-2 in San Diego and was let go the next year. Gibbs won the Super Bowl in his second year and won 3 in 12 years where Bill did'nt win one until his 14th year. I think he's more like Marty than Gibbs or Walsh or someone like that. Which is to be expected since he was a pupil of Marty's. Not that being like Marty is bad. If you're satisfied with a winning record and have patience, he's your man. He turned Pittsburgh around quickly in the win column when he got there and he'll probably do it again at his next stop but winning a Super Bowl, in and of itself, doesn't necessarily make you a great coach or guarantee you'll do it again. That's all I'm saying. Look at Barry Switzer. Just like you, I'm not really into lameduck coaches or retreads, Gibbs was an exception, we needed some hope and remembrance of what we once were at the time, and I'd like to give Zorn a chance to see what he can do.

SFREDSKIN · 12-30-2008, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I guess it's similar to how we don't understand your love fest with Cam Cameron.

At least Cowher has won more than 1 game in his career.

Laugh all you want. I hope one of those teams that fired their coaches hires him (preferably Cleveland) Maybe then you'll become a believer. Name me a coach that was able get the production out of a rookie QB (before you say Matt Ryan, Flacco was an unknown player) got his underachiever WR (Clayton) and old man (Mason) a beat up almost washed RB (Maghee) a rookie RB (Rice) a backup (McLain) and a rebuilt OL to average like 30pts./Game avg. and lead then into the playoffs. They were 3-13 a year ago. Harbaugh couldn't have done this without Cameron as his OC. Flame me all you want but I compare Cameron as good an OC as Gibbs was in his day. As a coach 1 year doesn't warrant him proving anything and getting fired.

BrunellMVP? · 12-30-2008, 12:40 PM

jets won't give cowher full power...its a no go

MTK · 12-30-2008, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Laugh all you want. I hope one of those teams that fired their coaches hires him (preferably Cleveland) Maybe then you'll become a believer. Name me a coach that was able get the production out of a rookie QB (before you say Matt Ryan, Flacco was an unknown player) got his underachiever WR (Clayton) and old man (Mason) a beat up almost washed RB (Maghee) a rookie RB (Rice) a backup (McLain) and a rebuilt OL to average like 30pts./Game avg. and lead then into the playoffs. They were 3-13 a year ago. Harbaugh couldn't have done this without Cameron as his OC. Flame me all you want but I compare Cameron as good an OC as Gibbs was in his day. As a coach 1 year doesn't warrant him proving anything and getting fired.

There are plenty of good OC's that simply aren't good HC's. Cameron is one of them. I'd be surprised if he even gets an interview for a HC job this offseason.

I wasn't "flaming" you, lighten up. I just thought it was funny that you're not impressed with Cowher "only" winning 1 SB while Cameron only has 1 career win as HC.

SBXVII · 12-30-2008, 01:20 PM

Like the NFL network said....the best possible cenario is going to the Lions. I know, I know they suck every year but you can't do worse then 0-16 so even if you won one game you turned the team around. lol. Personell wise I would probably pick the Jets. As much as everyone says Cowher has a friend in Cleveland I doubt he would go to a rival steel team town of Pittsburg only cause he doesn't want to piss of Pitt nation.

Besides he flat out turned down the Browns owner.

BrunellMVP? · 12-30-2008, 01:31 PM

Aaron (DC): Happy New Year Matt! Do you think that Dan Snyder will ever fire Vinny Cerrato? The Redskins need a legitimate GM to turn this organization around.

Matt Mosley: (12:28 PM ET ) These men have taken a solemn vow to each other.

12-30-2008, 01:21 AM	#19
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: Pink slip Monday Cowher is like Marty Shoty except he has 2 SB appearances and 1 SB win. Not bad if you ask me. Certainly better than anything we have been for almost the last 20 years. I mean, when was the last time we won more than 10 games and not just barely manged to get into the playoffs? __________________ "The Redskins have always suffered from chronic organizational deformities under Snyder." -Jenkins

12-30-2008, 02:40 AM	#21
53Fan Franchise Player Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Kill Devil Hills, N.C. Posts: 7,570	Re: Pink slip Monday Brian Billick won a Super Bowl but that doesn't mean I think he's a great coach. __________________ Defense wins championships. Bring it!

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BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Pink slip Monday jets won't give cowher full power...its a no go __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

12-30-2008, 01:20 PM	#29
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Pink slip Monday Like the NFL network said....the best possible cenario is going to the Lions. I know, I know they suck every year but you can't do worse then 0-16 so even if you won one game you turned the team around. lol. Personell wise I would probably pick the Jets. As much as everyone says Cowher has a friend in Cleveland I doubt he would go to a rival steel team town of Pittsburg only cause he doesn't want to piss of Pitt nation. Besides he flat out turned down the Browns owner.

12-30-2008, 01:31 PM	#30
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Pink slip Monday Aaron (DC): Happy New Year Matt! Do you think that Dan Snyder will ever fire Vinny Cerrato? The Redskins need a legitimate GM to turn this organization around. Matt Mosley: (12:28 PM ET ) These men have taken a solemn vow to each other. __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

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