Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts

tryfuhl · 01-01-2009, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

Skill position players are easy to get. Every offseason there are a good quantity of quality QB's, WR's and RB's available that are released for cap reasons.

Not many QB's, WR's probably the top for skill.. RB's are here and there, often seem to be trades

maybe I'm wrong, just what I've noticed

Dirtbag59 · 01-01-2009, 06:18 PM

Sorry but I strongly disagree that Wide Receiver is an issue on this team. We have to solid targets in Moss and Cooley, as well as talent coming up in Davis, Thomas, and Kelly. Sure one or two of them might end up as bust but the fact remains that we have two receiving threats off the LOS and in the NFL that's more then enough.

This receiving corps was more then enough during 6-2 when we were running the ball like mad men. It was when the running game broke down where the passing game fell apart. If you remember during those first 8 weeks CP led the league in rushing with 944 yards (on pace for 1,888) and 7 TD's. In the second half of the season he averaged 3.5 ypc with 2 TD's.

So with the running game gone our O-line, who was breaking down from old age at midseason, started to become a liability when teams decided they could unload on our QB and easily get the ball back after 3 and outs.

If anything we need new blood on the O-Line. Even if it means adding a RT, G, and C with our first three picks in the first three rounds (in this scenario we trade back) or better yet we get Jordan Gross in Free agency, draft Duke Robinson in the late first and find a quality center that falls through the cracks like Alex Mack. Maybe get a DT in between. Of course maybe I'm just a dreamer. Anyway we're a team that lives and dies with the running game just like the Vikings. I mean does anyone here think for a second that Tavaris Jackson is half as good as he is without the Vikings running game?

Trust me, O-Line play means much more then Recievers. I mean look at the Cardinals they got two of the best receivers in the league paired with a quality QB in Warner and they barely went 9-7 in possibly the worst division in football. Of course we're not much better going 8-8 but our problems started when the running game went downhill.

Join me brothers in helping the Redskins rebuild a glorious offensive front.

SBXVII · 01-01-2009, 06:28 PM

^ I agree with you but I still say this;

Then I would say we are screwed. Not cause I don't want an elite WR but cause we have basically a college coach trying to teach pros how to run routes. It has not worked in 5 yrs, we have had no production from our WR's in the last 5yrs, and anyone we picked up in the hopes they will make this team better appear to suck or can't get on the field due to lack of knowlege of the plays/routes. But lets not hold anyone accountable cause we can always pick up more next yr or draft another WR in hopes he will work out. The only reason Moss, ARE, and Thrash have worked out for us is cause they were trained prior to Hixon being here. Moss trained with the Jets, ARE trained with Pitt, and Thrash started here and got fine tuned in the WCO with the Eagles. No one else has produced. No one else has been developed since Hixon has gotten here. Everyone who had talent according to the team came, did ok or nothing at all, left and did better then here...ie; Coles, Patton, and Lloyd ring a bell. I'm afraid to ask where Mix went.

We can draft for the Lines. pick up some good LB, S, CB in free agency and if the coach had any balls replace Hixon with someone who will make a difference at their position and bring back Maurice Mann, McMullen, Mix, and pick up Marcus Monk....all WR's over 6-1 and have been cut by their teams. Develope them the right way and we have several decent WR's to use.

Skinny Tee · 01-01-2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

^ I agree with you but I still say this;

We can draft for the Lines. pick up some good LB, S, CB in free agency and if the coach had any balls replace Hixon with someone who will make a difference at their position and bring back Maurice Mann, McMullen, Mix, and pick up Marcus Monk....all WR's over 6-1 and have been cut by their teams. Develope them the right way and we have several decent WR's to use.

I'm sure there'll be more 6'4''+ WR's coming out in this years draft that you can get just as excited for. Though unless their receiving skills catch up with their physical dimensions they won't be able to make an NFL roster.

Having an OL that can dominate the LOS will pinpoint where problems lie in our offensive skill positions. Until then it is speculation as to who exactly is the liability in our offense.

SBXVII · 01-01-2009, 06:56 PM

^ again agreed. If we can't stop the rush or can't give JC time to let plays develope it won't matter who is back at QB we won't have a decent passing game.

but I'll add Hixon has not developed anyone in the 5 yrs he's been here. Not one WR. We have no young talent except for Thomas and Kelly whome we picked up last yr and some are calling them busts. So we pick 2-3 WR's in hopes that one works out? McMullen didn't even though we didn't draft him, Maurice Mann didn't, Mix was supposed to be the next Plexico. What happened? We let him go but keep Thrash based solely on his ST play? Cartwright did most of the tackling on kick offs. and Horton. Basically we kept a vet WR on the team cause of his ST abilities alone and he didn't even use them all that much cause Cartwright made most of the tackles. I'd of rather let him go as much as I was a fan of him and kept the younger guys for the future.

again though it doesn't matter who you bring in if our WR coach can't coach anyone or develope anyone. All will suck in the end.

53Fan · 01-01-2009, 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

I'm sure there'll be more 6'4''+ WR's coming out in this years draft that you can get just as excited for. Though unless their receiving skills catch up with their physical dimensions they won't be able to make an NFL roster.

Having an OL that can dominate the LOS will pinpoint where problems lie in our offensive skill positions. Until then it is speculation as to who exactly is the liability in our offense.

Agreed. Good post Tee.

NYCskinfan82 · 01-01-2009, 07:30 PM

What we need to do is send them to a Jerry Rice camp, show them how to run WC routes.

Dirtbag59 · 01-01-2009, 07:53 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

What we need to do is send them to a Jerry Rice camp, show them how to run WC routes.

Worked for Desean Jackson

skinsfan69 · 01-01-2009, 08:07 PM

Our wr's are below average. Not much else needs to be said. If Kelly and Thomas develop then this unit will improve. If not then back to the drawing board.

Paintrain · 01-01-2009, 09:53 PM

Patience is a necessity with WR. I posted this elsewhere but just to reinforce how foolish it is to judge a WR by their first year:

Just a snapshot of some of the rookie stats from WR on this season's leaderboard in catches and/or yards

Steve Smith-10 catches, 154 yds, 0 TD

Roddy White- 29 catches, 446 yds, 3 TD

Brandon Marshall- 20 catches, 309 yds, 2 TD

Vincent Jackson- 3 catches, 59 yds, 0 TD

TJ Housmanzadeh- 21 catches, 228 yds, 0 TD

SouperMeister · 01-01-2009, 09:57 PM

You could give us Randy Moss and Steve Smith at WR, and it wouldn't matter if Campbell is getting hit every time he drops back to pass. I'm confident that all of the young receivers drafted last year have enough talent, but until we get better pass protection up front, our passing game is going nowhere.

The Goat · 01-01-2009, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

^ I agree with you but I still say this;

Then I would say we are screwed. Not cause I don't want an elite WR but cause we have basically a college coach trying to teach pros how to run routes. It has not worked in 5 yrs, we have had no production from our WR's in the last 5yrs, and anyone we picked up in the hopes they will make this team better appear to suck or can't get on the field due to lack of knowlege of the plays/routes. But lets not hold anyone accountable cause we can always pick up more next yr or draft another WR in hopes he will work out. The only reason Moss, ARE, and Thrash have worked out for us is cause they were trained prior to Hixon being here. Moss trained with the Jets, ARE trained with Pitt, and Thrash started here and got fine tuned in the WCO with the Eagles. No one else has produced. No one else has been developed since Hixon has gotten here. Everyone who had talent according to the team came, did ok or nothing at all, left and did better then here...ie; Coles, Patton, and Lloyd ring a bell. I'm afraid to ask where Mix went.

We can draft for the Lines. pick up some good LB, S, CB in free agency and if the coach had any balls replace Hixon with someone who will make a difference at their position and bring back Maurice Mann, McMullen, Mix, and pick up Marcus Monk....all WR's over 6-1 and have been cut by their teams. Develope them the right way and we have several decent WR's to use.

Dude can you post that part in bold in a couple more threads cause i'm not sure everyone on the board has seen it yet

. Seriously, you and I are on the same page. I won't believe it if Zorn and the FO keep Hixon around, because I truly believe he's got the worst track record of any WR coach in the league right now. To my knowledge, and if i'm wrong on this someone please don't hesitate to correct me, Stan Hixon has not developed a single NFL receiver in 5+ years!!! That's incredible. He's inherited a few guys but certainly not taken anyone to a higher/better level then the day they showed up @ Redskins Park. Hixon must go.

On the flip side, I believe we have the talent we need @ WR to be very competitive. We need a vast improvement in performance from this group but I believe the right coach can make it happen. It's a different story on the o-line, where there must be some personnel changes, but nonetheless we need vast improvement from this group as well. Finally, JC has to get to the next level. Of the 3 "units" I have the most confidence in JC getting there because Zorn is HC. We'll know whether the WR corp is going to improve based on Hixon retention. The o-line however will remain a wildcard IMHO until opening day of the regular season.

Hail!

Ruhskins · 01-01-2009, 11:30 PM

I think our WRs corps is fine, they just need better coaching, and as it has been repeatedly said, Hixon must go. The main problem has been the offensive line, we need a group of o-lineman that can play a whole season, not just half of it. In the second half of the season, JC had no time to throw. When he did have time to throw, the WRs where not open (hence the need for better coaching in that position).

skinsfan69 · 01-02-2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I think our WRs corps is fine, they just need better coaching, and as it has been repeatedly said, Hixon must go. The main problem has been the offensive line, we need a group of o-lineman that can play a whole season, not just half of it. In the second half of the season, JC had no time to throw. When he did have time to throw, the WRs where not open (hence the need for better coaching in that position).

You can't make chicken salad out of chicken shit. How do any of us know whether or not Hixon is any good? We're not inside Redskin Park. But if we look at our wr's anyone can see that they're just not really that good. People crack me up when they actually think we have good wr's. We don't. And when they get open JC either doesn't have time to get them the ball or he misses the read and holds on to the ball.

Was ARE ever a #2 wr at Pittsburgh? No
Is Santana Moss a true #1 NFL wr? No.
Was James Thrash ever a good NFL wr? No
Do most rookie wr's struggle in their 1st years? Yes.

SBXVII · 01-02-2009, 12:56 AM

Goat, I thought maybe you went blind. LOL. I presume your being sarcastic;

Dude can you post that part in bold in a couple more threads cause i'm not sure everyone on the board has seen it yet .

You didn't have my back on this one so I had to post it in as many places as possible in order to find you. lol. just kidding. Atleast I got someones attention.

Skinsfan, I took exception to the remark about Thrash never being good....so I took it upon myself to look up his stats on NFL.com. Amazingly enough your kinda right. He started out slow with us but he was the blue collar player people were rooting for kinda like Heyer when he came. Thrash had 2 rec. for 24yrds his first yr, 10 rec. for 163yrds his second yr, 3 rec. for 44 yrds his third yr, and 50 rec. for 653 yrds and ony 1 TD the whole 4 yrs. He did better his 5th yr in Philli but declined each yr, he only had 2 TD's the whole time with them. but he was always more of the positional WR. Someone to get you the first down and that was it.

01-01-2009, 06:18 PM	#17
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts Sorry but I strongly disagree that Wide Receiver is an issue on this team. We have to solid targets in Moss and Cooley, as well as talent coming up in Davis, Thomas, and Kelly. Sure one or two of them might end up as bust but the fact remains that we have two receiving threats off the LOS and in the NFL that's more then enough. This receiving corps was more then enough during 6-2 when we were running the ball like mad men. It was when the running game broke down where the passing game fell apart. If you remember during those first 8 weeks CP led the league in rushing with 944 yards (on pace for 1,888) and 7 TD's. In the second half of the season he averaged 3.5 ypc with 2 TD's. So with the running game gone our O-line, who was breaking down from old age at midseason, started to become a liability when teams decided they could unload on our QB and easily get the ball back after 3 and outs. If anything we need new blood on the O-Line. Even if it means adding a RT, G, and C with our first three picks in the first three rounds (in this scenario we trade back) or better yet we get Jordan Gross in Free agency, draft Duke Robinson in the late first and find a quality center that falls through the cracks like Alex Mack. Maybe get a DT in between. Of course maybe I'm just a dreamer. Anyway we're a team that lives and dies with the running game just like the Vikings. I mean does anyone here think for a second that Tavaris Jackson is half as good as he is without the Vikings running game? Trust me, O-Line play means much more then Recievers. I mean look at the Cardinals they got two of the best receivers in the league paired with a quality QB in Warner and they barely went 9-7 in possibly the worst division in football. Of course we're not much better going 8-8 but our problems started when the running game went downhill. Join me brothers in helping the Redskins rebuild a glorious offensive front. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

01-01-2009, 06:28 PM	#18
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts ^ I agree with you but I still say this; Then I would say we are screwed. Not cause I don't want an elite WR but cause we have basically a college coach trying to teach pros how to run routes. It has not worked in 5 yrs, we have had no production from our WR's in the last 5yrs, and anyone we picked up in the hopes they will make this team better appear to suck or can't get on the field due to lack of knowlege of the plays/routes. But lets not hold anyone accountable cause we can always pick up more next yr or draft another WR in hopes he will work out. The only reason Moss, ARE, and Thrash have worked out for us is cause they were trained prior to Hixon being here. Moss trained with the Jets, ARE trained with Pitt, and Thrash started here and got fine tuned in the WCO with the Eagles. No one else has produced. No one else has been developed since Hixon has gotten here. Everyone who had talent according to the team came, did ok or nothing at all, left and did better then here...ie; Coles, Patton, and Lloyd ring a bell. I'm afraid to ask where Mix went. We can draft for the Lines. pick up some good LB, S, CB in free agency and if the coach had any balls replace Hixon with someone who will make a difference at their position and bring back Maurice Mann, McMullen, Mix, and pick up Marcus Monk....all WR's over 6-1 and have been cut by their teams. Develope them the right way and we have several decent WR's to use.

01-01-2009, 06:56 PM	#20
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts ^ again agreed. If we can't stop the rush or can't give JC time to let plays develope it won't matter who is back at QB we won't have a decent passing game. but I'll add Hixon has not developed anyone in the 5 yrs he's been here. Not one WR. We have no young talent except for Thomas and Kelly whome we picked up last yr and some are calling them busts. So we pick 2-3 WR's in hopes that one works out? McMullen didn't even though we didn't draft him, Maurice Mann didn't, Mix was supposed to be the next Plexico. What happened? We let him go but keep Thrash based solely on his ST play? Cartwright did most of the tackling on kick offs. and Horton. Basically we kept a vet WR on the team cause of his ST abilities alone and he didn't even use them all that much cause Cartwright made most of the tackles. I'd of rather let him go as much as I was a fan of him and kept the younger guys for the future. again though it doesn't matter who you bring in if our WR coach can't coach anyone or develope anyone. All will suck in the end.

01-01-2009, 07:30 PM	#22
NYCskinfan82 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Queens, NYC Age: 55 Posts: 3,803	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts What we need to do is send them to a Jerry Rice camp, show them how to run WC routes.

01-01-2009, 08:07 PM	#24
skinsfan69 Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Arlington, VA Posts: 17,281	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts Our wr's are below average. Not much else needs to be said. If Kelly and Thomas develop then this unit will improve. If not then back to the drawing board.

01-01-2009, 09:53 PM	#25
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts Patience is a necessity with WR. I posted this elsewhere but just to reinforce how foolish it is to judge a WR by their first year: Just a snapshot of some of the rookie stats from WR on this season's leaderboard in catches and/or yards Steve Smith-10 catches, 154 yds, 0 TD Roddy White- 29 catches, 446 yds, 3 TD Brandon Marshall- 20 catches, 309 yds, 2 TD Vincent Jackson- 3 catches, 59 yds, 0 TD TJ Housmanzadeh- 21 catches, 228 yds, 0 TD __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

01-01-2009, 09:57 PM	#26
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts You could give us Randy Moss and Steve Smith at WR, and it wouldn't matter if Campbell is getting hit every time he drops back to pass. I'm confident that all of the young receivers drafted last year have enough talent, but until we get better pass protection up front, our passing game is going nowhere.

01-01-2009, 11:30 PM	#28
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,341	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts I think our WRs corps is fine, they just need better coaching, and as it has been repeatedly said, Hixon must go. The main problem has been the offensive line, we need a group of o-lineman that can play a whole season, not just half of it. In the second half of the season, JC had no time to throw. When he did have time to throw, the WRs where not open (hence the need for better coaching in that position). __________________ R.I.P. #21

01-02-2009, 12:56 AM	#30
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Our WRs in 2009... My Thoughts Goat, I thought maybe you went blind. LOL. I presume your being sarcastic; Dude can you post that part in bold in a couple more threads cause i'm not sure everyone on the board has seen it yet . You didn't have my back on this one so I had to post it in as many places as possible in order to find you. lol. just kidding. Atleast I got someones attention. Skinsfan, I took exception to the remark about Thrash never being good....so I took it upon myself to look up his stats on NFL.com. Amazingly enough your kinda right. He started out slow with us but he was the blue collar player people were rooting for kinda like Heyer when he came. Thrash had 2 rec. for 24yrds his first yr, 10 rec. for 163yrds his second yr, 3 rec. for 44 yrds his third yr, and 50 rec. for 653 yrds and ony 1 TD the whole 4 yrs. He did better his 5th yr in Philli but declined each yr, he only had 2 TD's the whole time with them. but he was always more of the positional WR. Someone to get you the first down and that was it.

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