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[MTK]

Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.

I think its hard to really know how much DS has pulled back since all we get is what we hear thru the media. Just because he has given the impression he's pulled back from GMing doesnt mean he really has.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by irish

I think its hard to really know how much DS has pulled back since all we get is what we hear thru the media. Just because he has given the impression he's pulled back from GMing doesnt mean he really has.

The problem is we really don't know the exact extent of his involvement to begin with. It's not like he's ever come out and said he pulled the trigger on this move or on that.

Early on he probably was calling more shots than not, but he definitely had input from his Dad, Pepper Rodgers, Vinny, etc. Then for one year Marty took over and was the main guy, then Vinny came back into the fold, then Gibbs, and now Vinny is running football ops and from all indications he is calling the shots and Snyder handles more of the financial end of things, contracts, etc.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

The problem is we really don't know the exact extent of his involvement to begin with. It's not like he's ever come out and said he pulled the trigger on this move or on that.

Early on he probably was calling more shots than not, but he definitely had input from his Dad, Pepper Rodgers, Vinny, etc. Then for one year Marty took over and was the main guy, then Vinny came back into the fold, then Gibbs, and now Vinny is running football ops and from all indications he is calling the shots and Snyder handles more of the financial end of things, contracts, etc.

I think his involvement to begin with was way more than we thought. I agree there is no way to know for sure but that's my feeling.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.

Wasn't it Snyder that started negotiating with Lance Briggs with out notifying Gibbs? Hasn't Snyder personally handled contract negotiations with some players? Wouldn't by definition make him at least co-GM?

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Wasn't it Snyder that started negotiating with Lance Briggs with out notifying Gibbs? Hasn't Snyder personally handled contract negotiations with some players? Wouldn't by definition make him at least co-GM?

Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.

he will when he wins Matty

[irish]

Originally Posted by 44ever

he will when he wins Matty

!00% correct. Why would he want to crow about the mediocre teams the Skins keep putting on the field?

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.

I don't know if a 'massive ego' was ever the problem with Snyder. This is a guy who has been known to avoid the media, rarely give interviews, and be amongst the most highly secretive in the business.

As to his current involvement of the day to day operations of the football team, Vinny Cerrato, on his very own radio show, said that he is contact with Dan Snyder, "many, many, many times throughout the day." I would submit that this is the kind of frequency that is not seen between most general managers and owners.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

I don't know if a 'massive ego' was ever the problem with Snyder. This is a guy who has been known to avoid the media, rarely give interviews, and be amongst the most highly secretive in the business.

As to his current involvement of the day to day operations of the football team, Vinny Cerrato, on his very own radio show, said that he is contact with Dan Snyder, "many, many, many times throughout the day." I would submit that this is the kind of frequency that is not seen between most general managers and owners.

I'm sure the level of involvement of owners around the league varies greatly. But considering that Snyder and Vinny have more than just a business relationship and are friends, that probably explains the constant contact.

And again, nobody is denying that Snyder is involved. It's the level of involvement that is highly debatable.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Handling contract negotiations is just one piece of the GM puzzle. He's always been clear that was his deal. So we can't say he hasn't been up front about his role in that regard.

This is just a general thought and not directed at you specifically: So if he was more involved as people like to speculate, why wouldn't he own up to that as well? If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.

That's a really good point. It makes total sense, I just for some reason hadn't thought of it that way.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

That's a really good point. It makes total sense, I just for some reason hadn't thought of it that way.

Again, he will when he wins. Would you at 8-8?

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

If he has this massive ego as people say, it seems to me he would want everyone to know who's in charge a la Jones in Dallas.

Because the team is lousy. If the Redskins ever win a Super Bowl with Snyder as GM [ha!], believe me, we'll hear about nothing else for years. But we don't have to worry about that ever happening.

[Spence]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Wasn't it Snyder that started negotiating with Lance Briggs with out notifying Gibbs? Hasn't Snyder personally handled contract negotiations with some players? Wouldn't by definition make him at least co-GM?

That's all correct.

[PennSkinsFan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Gotta say I strongly disagree with this assumption that Snyder is GM'ing the team. He has definitely stepped back in recent years to the point now where I honestly think his input on personnel is pretty limited.

Smootsmack sums things up pretty well above.

I don't think so. At all. Vinny is 'making the decision' and where do you think Vinny comes up with his decisions? I think the Redskins PR machine likes to have people believe that Danny is out of the loops of sorts, but that is bull crap to the max and NFL insiders know it as well. For God sakes, we had head coaching candidates having slumber parties at the Snyder mansion.