RI: What Moves Will Offseason Bring?

[Bill B]

As far as the Skins worrying about Carlos asking for an insane contract as being a reason to trade him now - wouldn't the Skins be better off using either the franchise or transitional tag on him instead?

[celts32]

Originally Posted by Gmanc711

I agree completley here...I thought Rogers was phenominal for us last year...and Hall has not been resigned...I still would be against this...although a secnod rounder would be nice.

A 2nd rounder is not value at all for Rogers. We spent like the 9th pick on him and he played really well this year and is still young. This is the kind of player you build around not trade for a 2nd rounder.

I am all for trading Moss if he can bring anything good in return...he is starting to get older and we need to start making changes to that offensive core.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by 44ever

What happens if Taylor decides not to return?

If Taylor retires then we don't have anything to worry about - we save the 8.5M and if he wants to unretire and play for someone else, then that team must give us compensation.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by celts32

A 2nd rounder is not value at all for Rogers. We spent like the 9th pick on him and he played really well this year and is still young. This is the kind of player you build around not trade for a 2nd rounder.

I am all for trading Moss if he can bring anything good in return...he is starting to get older and we need to start making changes to that offensive core.

I agree... anything less than a top 20 first round pick for Rogers and we are screwing ourselves over. Even if Rogers is disgruntled, he has no choice but to play for us. Lance Briggs was disgruntled, but he's not anymore and he's still with the bears now. Lito Shepard was disgruntled, but he's still with the eagles. The Redskins hold all the cards with Carlos for 2 more years if the CBA expires and 2-3more years if it doesnt and they want to franchise him 1-2years. Thats plenty of time to work things out and patch up any difference between them. We should NOT, under any circumstances, let him dicate things to us. He signed a contract and thats all there is to it.

As far as Moss goes, we should be able to get a 2nd for him and I wouldnt take anything less.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

www.dcexaminer.com >> Sports

This article says we're very interested in Jordan Gross. What I don't understand is it speculates that we would pay him LT money to play RT for us... that would be foolish. If we signed him and gave him LT money, we should put him at LT and move Samuels to RT... something we need to do soon anyways.

I don't necessarily think we should pursue Gross (he's 29 and will cost too much), but if we did, it certainly would help our team immensly right away. We could trade down in the first round, pick up a 2nd and then use our first three picks on a center, DL, and LB... all three guys should be able to start immediately.

And Imagine our O-line with Gross-Kendall/Thomas- Mack(draft pick)-Rinehart-Samuels... now THAT would be a beastly line.

[Ruhskins]

I'm definitely on the Jordan Gross bandwagon. He's 28 (not old....'though not young), I know this may sound crazy, but we could put him at LT and move Samuels to RT. This would be huge in protecting JC from pass rushing DEs in both sides. Also, this big of a signing would show the team's commitment to vastly improving the offensive line.

On the defensive side of the ball, if the cap permits, I would sign Rocky Bernard and possibly Karlos Dansby (although Dansby could become expensive if AZ goes to the SB). If not Dansby, then we may have some options...Bart Scott or maybe Eric Barton...although those two have played in the 3-4 defense. I"m sure we could find a serviceable LB to replace Washington.

There has been talks on this site about possible trades...JLC seems to be talking up a Rogers trade, in our fantasy world we are talking about Moss. I think getting a second rounder would be pretty big. I think best case scenario would be to trade down 13th for a low 1st round and a 3rd rounder. This would give us a low 1st, 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders. We could use these to look at inside lineman (Center/Guards) and defensive linemen.

Once again, I'm not going to say that this WILL and MUST happen, this is just my ideal situation. There are many questions about who will be cut, what cap implications this will have and what will the team do to get under the cap. There is also the big question of if these trades can happen. I think one big FA signing, and two regular FA signings would not be bad for this team. I do hope they do something to get more than the 4 picks they have now.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I agree with all your points except keeping Taylor. If we can get him to stay at a lower salary, sure, but not for 8.5M. When a team is rebuilding (like ours is), we cant afford to pay 8.5M to a 35year old DE who is coming off the worst year of his career and has an eye on hollywood... its just stupid, especially if the teams top priority is saving money.

Ideally, i'd like to get Taylor to sign a 1-year extension so he would cost 10M over the next 2 years... then if another team that thinks it has a chance for a superbowl run in 2009 loses a starting DE in training camp, trade Taylor to them for a 2010 draft pick. If we cant trade him, then keep him at his reduced rate. In the event we have to keep him, the bonus is it lets us put off addressing the DE position for one more year, allowing us to focus solely on OL, DT, and LB in the 2009draft.

What incentive does Taylor have to restructure at a reduced rate?

Shawn Springs, who has been a Redskin for more than 4 years now, has no interest in restructuring at a reduced wage and he has more Redskin tenure than Taylor. Springs has basically told the team to release him if they don't want to pay his salary.

I'm not seeing Taylor entertaining ANY idea of signing a new contract for less money. When both parties signed (or received) that contract they usually expect the terms to be upheld. A player can use holding out as leverage to get a new deal in his favor. Teams have no leverage against a player other than cutting him from the team...which might be advantageous to the player anyway.


...in short, any forecasting of Taylor restructuring for less puts the ass in asinine.

[Big C]

addressing the rogers issue, i understand why some would say that he is young and has done pretty well, but he is going to be 28 years old starting the season, that is usually the peak age of a corner and imo he is as good as he is ever going to be. a 2nd rounder would be good value imo, we got 4 years out of him, none spectactular. imo we would be lucky to get a 2nd rounder

[Ruhskins]

Since I've been talking a lot about trading down from our #13, I found this piece of info that may serve useful. I am not sure how accurate or reliable this is...but I still think it is interesting:

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Skinny Tee

What incentive does Taylor have to restructure at a reduced rate?

Shawn Springs, who has been a Redskin for more than 4 years now, has no interest in restructuring at a reduced wage and he has more Redskin tenure than Taylor. Springs has basically told the team to release him if they don't want to pay his salary.

I'm not seeing Taylor entertaining ANY idea of signing a new contract for less money. When both parties signed (or received) that contract they usually expect the terms to be upheld. A player can use holding out as leverage to get a new deal in his favor. Teams have no leverage against a player other than cutting him from the team...which might be advantageous to the player anyway.


...in short, any forecasting of Taylor restructuring for less puts the *** in asinine.

I think Taylor opened the door to this when he commented on his own view of his value. I think that the team does have leverage with the threat of cutting him, as his stock definitely went down after last year's outing. I sure hope JT stays on the team, but that should only happen if he restructures.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I'm definitely on the Jordan Gross bandwagon. He's 28 (not old....'though not young), I know this may sound crazy, but we could put him at LT and move Samuels to RT. This would be huge in protecting JC from pass rushing DEs in both sides. Also, this big of a signing would show the team's commitment to vastly improving the offensive line.

On the defensive side of the ball, if the cap permits, I would sign Rocky Bernard and possibly Karlos Dansby (although Dansby could become expensive if AZ goes to the SB). If not Dansby, then we may have some options...Bart Scott or maybe Eric Barton...although those two have played in the 3-4 defense. I"m sure we could find a serviceable LB to replace Washington.

There has been talks on this site about possible trades...JLC seems to be talking up a Rogers trade, in our fantasy world we are talking about Moss. I think getting a second rounder would be pretty big. I think best case scenario would be to trade down 13th for a low 1st round and a 3rd rounder. This would give us a low 1st, 2nd rounder, and two 3rd rounders. We could use these to look at inside lineman (Center/Guards) and defensive linemen.

Once again, I'm not going to say that this WILL and MUST happen, this is just my ideal situation. There are many questions about who will be cut, what cap implications this will have and what will the team do to get under the cap. There is also the big question of if these trades can happen. I think one big FA signing, and two regular FA signings would not be bad for this team. I do hope they do something to get more than the 4 picks they have now.

I think we definitely have the cap room to sign Gross, Dansby, and Bernard if we make the "no-brainer" cuts amongst the old vets... depending on what the market sets their price at. At the very least, we would have the room to sign 2 of 3. However it seems like Snyder is wanting to be frugal and not spend money. Of those 3, I think its most realistic to sign one of those guys (probably Bernard - he will be the cheapest by far and we have the Seahawk connection)

[SmootSmack]

Taylor would happily restructure, I'm just not sure he'd do it for the Redskins

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Since I've been talking a lot about trading down from our #13, I found this piece of info that may serve useful. I am not sure how accurate or reliable this is...but I still think it is interesting:

Draft Countdown - Trade Value Chart

Interesting... a move from 13 to 26 would result in our receiving that teams 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for roughly equal compensation (we would still owe 10pts).... i doubt any team would give their 1st 3 picks to move up 13 spots, although stranger things have happened.

We are definitely in a good position to move down though. There always seems to be alot of moves with teams who have picks in this part of the draft.... good for us.

In the hypothetical trade above, if we made the trade to move back 13 spots, and also traded Moss for a 2nd, we would end up with a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rd round picks... not bad.

In the end, I think our biggest offseason move (and the hardest one) is going to be resigning DeAngelo Hall.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Taylor would happily restructure, I'm just not sure he'd do it for the Redskins

Assuming he committed to restructuring and extending his contract with another team, we could probably trade him to a team like Carolina, who will be losing Peppers. Im thinking a team who feels they are "close" would give us a 4th rounder for him in a heartbeat.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Interesting... a move from 13 to 26 would result in our receiving that teams 1st, 2nd, and 3rd round picks for roughly equal compensation (we would still owe 10pts).... i doubt any team would give their 1st 3 picks to move up 13 spots, although stranger things have happened.

We are definitely in a good position to move down though. There always seems to be alot of moves with teams who have picks in this part of the draft.... good for us.

In the hypothetical trade above, if we made the trade to move back 13 spots, and also traded Moss for a 2nd, we would end up with a 1st, two 2nds, and two 3rd round picks... not bad.

In the end, I think our biggest offseason move (and the hardest one) is going to be resigning DeAngelo Hall.

I'd be happy with a low 1st, a 2nd, and two 3rd round picks (we'd be getting the low 1st and 3rd from trading down).