Another Haynesworth Thread: Will AH Be The Next Dana Stubblefield?

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Look, he gave a great (and I'm sure well rehearsed) speech. What's he gonna do, say "I'm going to be a total bust now that I got my money." ??? I'm glad he is intelligent and well spoken, and he understands what the media is saying about the "bust" stuff, etc. Talk is cheap though, and his contract wasn't. Sundays are what I care about. But thus far he is handling himself well.

Stubblefield signed a big contract with the Redskins right after he won NFL Defensive MVP, something Haynesworth hasn't done, so I don't think you can really say Stub was "nowhere close to player AH is." Stubb and AH both have the distinction of being the best DTs in football at the time they signed on the dotted line with the Skins.

The comparisons/speculation are valid. Both are dominant defensive tackles who performed at their highest level in a contract year.

All that said, I have a feeling Haynesworth will live up to the hype and be a monster for us.

Agreed GMScud. But What I was pointing out is that AH is aware of his responsibility to the team and his commitment to further his career and has publicly stated the same. Stubb never did that. Now unless AH has no self pride/dignity and has lost his desire to play football I think he will be that dominate force we have been waiting for.

Coming to Washington, Stubblefield had nothing to compare himself too. Neither did he amount to anything after leaving us. (probably because he quit the Roids) IMO

AH on the other hand is more like Fletcher in my opinion. Someone that enjoys playing the game and plays the game hard. And as Fletcher keeps his fire burning to make a ProBowl. I believe AH will do the same chasing the HOF.

All speculation at this point? Apsolutely. But I would compare AH more to Fletcher than Stubblefield. IMO (I better be right)

[Eknox]

It kills me when everyone talks about he has his money , now he's just going to lay down. The man said his uncle is a diehard Redskins fan, and his family lives in the area,So I don't see him embarrising himself as well as his family, also in the NBA contracts are guaranteed, and those player's don't mail it in..So give the guy a chance he sounds like someone that's genuine ,he didn't sound rehearsed (like an Arod presser) So no I don't think he'll be the next Stubblefield.

[horse]

How about we keep this negative shit outta hear and just let big Al be the beast he is.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by horse

How about we keep this negative shit outta hear and just let big Al be the beast he is.

Agree Horse.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Pocket$ $traight

Did you watch the games of Daryl Gardener here? He was unstoppable and should have been in the Pro-bowl. In Denver he was bad but not here.

A lot of people say they don't like the money but why do we care? This is basically a 4 year contract for $48 million and then they will renegotiate. I think people need to ignore the "$100 Million" and focus on the fact that we locked up the unanimous #1 free agent talent in the league without sacrificing anything.

You bring up a great point, and one that hasn't been discussed all that much. This is essentially a 4 year deal. I'm too fixated on the "$100 million" figure.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by horse

How about we keep this negative shit outta hear and just let big Al be the beast he is.

Heard that!

[EternalEnigma21]

about Gardener: We didnt throw the money at him and I believe he was out of the league within a couple of years of his stint with washington... am I mistaken? What if we would have given him the contract he wanted?

Not that he sucked when he was here, but I was just thinking about high priced D linemen that got paid and disappeared off the face of the planet. I could probably think of other examples but my brain is fried.

[freddyg12]

Of course AH has different circumstances, but I think the comparison is inevitable if only because they played the same position, both coming off huge seasons,etc.

But here's something I think people are falsely analogizing; please correct me if I'm wrong, but Snyder didn't sign Stubby. The mgmt. of the Skins is different now, and though they've had a history of fa busts, in the last 2 seasons they've shown much greater judgment w/the fa's they've signed.

In addition, Stubby played for Norvelle, AH will be playing for Zorn & Blatche.

btw, I wasn't happy w/the signing, but I'm trying to look at the positives & in response to this thread, D. Stubby isn't the reason I don't like the signing. It's AH's history & the obvious cost & risk involved. I feel the money could've been much better used if we signed several mid level fa's. But now that he's here, I hope he's out there stompin heads for 16 games+ playoffs every year! (figuratively of course )

[MTK]

Originally Posted by EternalEnigma21

about Gardener: We didnt throw the money at him and I believe he was out of the league within a couple of years of his stint with washington... am I mistaken? What if we would have given him the contract he wanted?

Not that he sucked when he was here, but I was just thinking about high priced D linemen that got paid and disappeared off the face of the planet. I could probably think of other examples but my brain is fried.

He had degenerative back issues if you remember that made signing him to a long term deal pretty risky. The Skins passed and the Broncos took the bait. He was injured most of his first year with them in 2003 and out of football for good in 2004, due to his back.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Of course AH has different circumstances, but I think the comparison is inevitable if only because they played the same position, both coming off huge seasons,etc.

But here's something I think people are falsely analogizing; please correct me if I'm wrong, but Snyder didn't sign Stubby. The mgmt. of the Skins is different now, and though they've had a history of fa busts, in the last 2 seasons they've shown much greater judgment w/the fa's they've signed.

In addition, Stubby played for Norvelle, AH will be playing for Zorn & Blatche.

btw, I wasn't happy w/the signing, but I'm trying to look at the positives & in response to this thread, D. Stubby isn't the reason I don't like the signing. It's AH's history & the obvious cost & risk involved. I feel the money could've been much better used if we signed several mid level fa's. But now that he's here, I hope he's out there stompin heads for 16 games+ playoffs every year! (figuratively of course )

Good post Freddy. Good points. I have stated in past posts that I am Happy and scared at the same time with AH. But like you. Now that he's here. I hope he's out there stompin heads for 16 games+ playoffs every year! (figuratively of course I think a lot of fans feel the same way.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Personally, I love the Haynesworth signing. And I've made my feelings known about the huge contract he received - it doesn't bother me one iota. But what I am leary about, which has been an undeniable trend here in Washington, we rarely get full contract value for the big name studs we bring here. So on one hand, I'm not concerned about the actual dollars he received, but on the other our history with these types of signings haven't produced stellar results.

Will the huge contract be a demotivator for Haynesworth? Will all of this end up being Dana Stubblefield all over again? Redskins nation had similiar high hopes after we signed Stubblefield and paired him up with Big Daddy Wilkerson. Stubblefield never returned to his highly touted Pro Bowl form as a Washington Redskin. Ultimately Stubblefield left the Skins, only to return to the bay area to play for the 49ers again, then the Raiders before being released by the New England Patriots in 2004. That being said, I think Haynesworth has Reggie White type potential and will ultimately live up to it. But I have my doubts.

I want you guys to weigh in on this.

Do you think Albert Haynesworth will actually live up to his contract, come close, or end up being yet another high profile signing of a long list of Redskins free agents that just didn't work out.

I don't think he's going to live up to his contract. I hope he does but history shows this isn't going to work out. I was reading an article about AH in The Post today and this guy has some issues. No way in hell am I paying a guy that much money unless I know I can 100% count on him. He has or had some anger issues where he's kicking and stomping on guys, fighting with teammates in practice, not playing the scheme of the defense, not listening to coaches....way too many red flags but our FO doesn't seem to care.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by wilsowilso

Stubblefield was on the juice right? He was part of the BALCO scandal. I think Albert is just naturally a monster!

Being on juice doesn't make you a good football player. And it certainly didn't help Stubby.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I don't think he's going to live up to his contract. I hope he does but history shows this isn't going to work out. I was reading an article about AH in The Post today and this guy has some issues. No way in hell am I paying a guy that much money unless I know I can 100% count on him. He has or had some anger issues where he's kicking and stomping on guys, fighting with teammates in practice, not playing the scheme of the defense, not listening to coaches....way too many red flags but our FO doesn't seem to care.

Dude, this negativity is getting old. I honestly don't know why you even bother being a Redskins fan. You're entitled to your opinion and no one tells you that you have to like this deal, but you keep posting negative comments and now you've decided to create this thread on something that has been repeatedly brought up by other people in other AH threads and discussed repeatedly.

Look, why don't you go and become a Giants fan, since yesterday you were praising them so much because apparently they are going to be 5-deep in every position along their defensive line and you won't have to worry about AH becoming a bust.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Being on juice doesn't make you a good football player. And it certainly didn't help Stubby.

I strongly disagree kind of. It certainly does'nt help with the mental part of the game which Stubblefield possessed. But It definatly helps when it comes to the physical aspect of the game. Lets just say I know from experience. Oh ah, It helps in Baseball too

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

Dude, this negativity is getting old. I honestly don't know why you even bother being a Redskins fan. You're entitled to your opinion and no one tells you that you have to like this deal, but you keep posting negative comments and now you've decided to create this thread on something that has been repeatedly brought up by other people in other AH threads and discussed repeatedly.

Look, why don't you go and become a Giants fan, since yesterday you were praising them so much because apparently they are going to be 5-deep in every position along their defensive line and you won't have to worry about AH becoming a bust.

You're right....I'm entitled to my opinion. Sorry you don't like it. I guess the truth hurts. And I wasn't praising the Giants.