Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF

firstdown · 05-18-2009, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I did not think Gruden was all that great on NFLN during the draft, but if he stays in the job I am sure he will improve. If I were going to poach someone from NFLN I would have taken Marshall Faulk. He was not very good when he started there, but he has really made himself into an excellent commentator.

I actually like Gruden during the draft stuf on the NFLN. He seemed to find the postive side of each pick or issue they talked about. We allready get enough negative feedback from the other guys.

over the mountain · 05-18-2009, 01:39 PM

yeah i think tony felt too much pressure to be the "funny" color commentator guy, always seemed like a real real bad reaching episode of seinfeld.

but the man did give us atleast one great line . ."joe gibbs is to DC what rocky balboa is to philly . . . except he's real."

go skins!!

Ruhskins · 05-18-2009, 01:41 PM

I used to be a fan of TK until he went to MNF and got all bitchy when ppl were criticizing his performance in the booth. He should stick to radio. I think Chucky is a nice addition, I liked him during the NFLN coverage of the draft.

sportscurmudgeon · 05-18-2009, 02:04 PM

Since Gruden probably wants another NFL Head Coaching gig, just how candidly critical do you expect him to be regarding bad teams - - the ones that might be looking to hire a new coach in the next year or two?

If he wants a coaching job, he isn't likely to tee off on bad GMs or ownership situations around the league. Jon Gruden is not stupid; he will see immediately that would be a bad job-hunting strategy.

I expect him to be only mildly critical of anyone or anything. Time will tell...

SC Skins Fan · 05-18-2009, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Since Gruden probably wants another NFL Head Coaching gig, just how candidly critical do you expect him to be regarding bad teams - - the ones that might be looking to hire a new coach in the next year or two?

If he wants a coaching job, he isn't likely to tee off on bad GMs or ownership situations around the league. Jon Gruden is not stupid; he will see immediately that would be a bad job-hunting strategy.

I expect him to be only mildly critical of anyone or anything. Time will tell...

Good points.

Dirtbag59 · 05-18-2009, 02:47 PM

Good deal. Gruden is a likeable guy who knows his stuff. Kornheiser, was fine but the fact of the matter is he didn't really want to be there. Of course they need to have Grudens replacement for next year in mind since he'll probably return to coaching.

jsarno · 05-18-2009, 05:04 PM

Really like Kornheiser on PTI, not so much on MNF. Definitely a fish out of water. He's not really a football guy...sure he knows football, but he is too intelligent to be in the booth, and I think he loses the crowd too easily.
Gruden...well, could care less really...it seems to be a revolving door over there, and they seem to be trying too hard to find a perfect match, when they should just start over with people and stick with them. Stop trying so hard. (aka: Dennis Miller, Korniheiser)

dmek25 · 05-18-2009, 05:34 PM

now if they would replace Tirico with Mike Patrick

05-18-2009, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SC Skins Fan

I did not think Gruden was all that great on NFLN during the draft

I watched ESPN for the most part but when I flipped it to NFLN or watched the recap shows of the draft I thought he did a pretty good job for his first time. I think his personality will be great for the MNF booth and hes a HUGE upgrade over Kornheiser.

firstdown · 05-18-2009, 05:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

Since Gruden probably wants another NFL Head Coaching gig, just how candidly critical do you expect him to be regarding bad teams - - the ones that might be looking to hire a new coach in the next year or two?

If he wants a coaching job, he isn't likely to tee off on bad GMs or ownership situations around the league. Jon Gruden is not stupid; he will see immediately that would be a bad job-hunting strategy.

I expect him to be only mildly critical of anyone or anything. Time will tell...

Well after the ball is kicked off it boils down to the coaches and players. I'd perfer for them to stick to the game on the field so I don't see that coming into play.

jsarno · 05-18-2009, 05:53 PM

I think they keep trying to find these bold funny personalities, but they are failing. At least they went to a football guy.
I seriously doubt that people tune into MNF to listen to the commentators, I'd watch it on mute before I turned the game itself off. It's like cheerleaders think people come to the games to see them cheer. Nope, they come to see your ass in that outfit, but that's only after they watched the play of the game.
aka: commentators are nothing but non-eye-candy cheerleaders.

WaldSkins · 05-18-2009, 06:07 PM

Personally i'm not a big fan of Jaws either.

davy · 05-18-2009, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jsarno

He's not really a football guy...sure he knows football, but he is too intelligent to be in the booth, and I think he loses the crowd too easily. (aka: Dennis Miller, Korniheiser)

Now that shocked me.

I've never seen anything else Kornheiser has done but he always came across to me as a babbling imbecile on MNF. I quite liked Dennis Miller though, I thought he was genuinely witty and inteligent.

I will actually look forward to MNF now.

jsarno · 05-18-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by davy

Now that shocked me.

I've never seen anything else Kornheiser has done but he always came across to me as a babbling imbecile on MNF. I quite liked Dennis Miller though, I thought he was genuinely witty and inteligent.

I will actually look forward to MNF now.

Don't be fooled by Kornheisers love of raising his voice and seemingly brash approach, he's a lot smarter than people give him credit for.
Dennis Miller lost waaaay too many people in the MNF audience. He's too smart for MNF too.

Monksdown · 05-18-2009, 06:47 PM

Tony took a huge step forward year 1 to year 2. He actually learned something about the game, and i thought was contributing fairly well during the course of the game. What i didn't like was the pregame where he clearly scripted every single word. I'm sure they all script that portion. But with Tony, his real talent is in writing. So it was so over the top perfect and he was losing touch with the joe football fan.

You can only be so eloquent when describing 5 300+ lb guys waging war on 5 other 300+ lb guys.

Who really cares who's in the booth anyways. I barely hear them and yell my own commentary.

05-18-2009, 01:39 PM	#17
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF yeah i think tony felt too much pressure to be the "funny" color commentator guy, always seemed like a real real bad reaching episode of seinfeld. but the man did give us atleast one great line . ."joe gibbs is to DC what rocky balboa is to philly . . . except he's real." go skins!! __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

05-18-2009, 01:41 PM	#18
Ruhskins Living Legend Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 22,349	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF I used to be a fan of TK until he went to MNF and got all bitchy when ppl were criticizing his performance in the booth. He should stick to radio. I think Chucky is a nice addition, I liked him during the NFLN coverage of the draft. __________________ R.I.P. #21

05-18-2009, 02:04 PM	#19
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF Since Gruden probably wants another NFL Head Coaching gig, just how candidly critical do you expect him to be regarding bad teams - - the ones that might be looking to hire a new coach in the next year or two? If he wants a coaching job, he isn't likely to tee off on bad GMs or ownership situations around the league. Jon Gruden is not stupid; he will see immediately that would be a bad job-hunting strategy. I expect him to be only mildly critical of anyone or anything. Time will tell... __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

05-18-2009, 02:47 PM	#21
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF Good deal. Gruden is a likeable guy who knows his stuff. Kornheiser, was fine but the fact of the matter is he didn't really want to be there. Of course they need to have Grudens replacement for next year in mind since he'll probably return to coaching. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

05-18-2009, 05:04 PM	#22
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF Really like Kornheiser on PTI, not so much on MNF. Definitely a fish out of water. He's not really a football guy...sure he knows football, but he is too intelligent to be in the booth, and I think he loses the crowd too easily. Gruden...well, could care less really...it seems to be a revolving door over there, and they seem to be trying too hard to find a perfect match, when they should just start over with people and stick with them. Stop trying so hard. (aka: Dennis Miller, Korniheiser) __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

05-18-2009, 05:34 PM	#23
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF now if they would replace Tirico with Mike Patrick __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

05-18-2009, 05:53 PM	#26
jsarno Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: 31 Spooner St. Age: 50 Posts: 9,534	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF I think they keep trying to find these bold funny personalities, but they are failing. At least they went to a football guy. I seriously doubt that people tune into MNF to listen to the commentators, I'd watch it on mute before I turned the game itself off. It's like cheerleaders think people come to the games to see them cheer. Nope, they come to see your ass in that outfit, but that's only after they watched the play of the game. aka: commentators are nothing but non-eye-candy cheerleaders. __________________ Zoltan is ZESTY! - courtesy of joeredskin

05-18-2009, 06:07 PM	#27
WaldSkins Playmaker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Harrisburg, PA Age: 41 Posts: 2,726	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF Personally i'm not a big fan of Jaws either. __________________ "I would change that around, Jesus isn't Cutler. I guarantee you Jesus couldnt thread the ball like Jay does."-Monksdown

05-18-2009, 06:47 PM	#30
Monksdown The Starter Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Warrenton, Virginia Age: 44 Posts: 1,515	Re: Kornheiser out/Gruden in on MNF Tony took a huge step forward year 1 to year 2. He actually learned something about the game, and i thought was contributing fairly well during the course of the game. What i didn't like was the pregame where he clearly scripted every single word. I'm sure they all script that portion. But with Tony, his real talent is in writing. So it was so over the top perfect and he was losing touch with the joe football fan. You can only be so eloquent when describing 5 300+ lb guys waging war on 5 other 300+ lb guys. Who really cares who's in the booth anyways. I barely hear them and yell my own commentary.

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