Jason Campbell gets his mind right for the season..

[WaldSkins]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I agree that there is that stigma left over from the old days, but I think it’s quickly put to rest when a qb whatever color makes the correct read, or obviously knows his play book. And look at college. There are just flat out less black qb's in D1 college, so of course there will be less in the NFL. Maybe it stems from college, I dont know.

And think about baseball why are there more white pitchers percentage wise to the makeup of the rest of the league. Maybe white people just have better arm strength, accuracy, or touch for some reason. It’s a touchy subject so probably isn’t that well studied.

Maybe Jason Campbell just isn't that good of a quarterback?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

McNabb played his first complete season last year since 2003. That's why he sometimes gets blown off as not a top tier QB. It’s not because he's African American. Another comparison I think of is pitchers in baseball. There are a much higher percentage of white pitchers then comparable to the makeup of the other positions in baseball. How many white running backs are there? Just seems like certain skill sets suite certain races differently.

Baseball though might have more of an excuse because right now it mostly consist of white and latino players. I had a teammate back in high school that played baseball during the spring and he used to joke about how he was "the only brother out there." Anyway I think Joe Morgan was right when he said that most black kids are choosing to play football and basketball instead of baseball.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

You're right it isn't popular at least with me. Seriously why did he have to play the race card? It's a simple deal, you play like 6-2 you get love from the fan base you go 2-6 and you get the opposite. It has nothing to do with race.

Personally I could care less what color the QB is or any other player for that matter. I judge every player the same way. You play hard you get points, you conduct yourself as a decent human being you get points, you play well you get mucho points. If race was an issue with me I wouldn't watch football considering about 75% of the league consist of black players.

The time that Jason has gotten to develop is something that other QB's around the league can only dream of be it black, white, or latino. Personally I love the way he's handled himself this offseason but come on.

Is this serious? I don't remember the Seahawks trying to boot Hasselbeck after the 2003 playoff loss. He went to the pro bowl and super bowl two years later. Jake Delhomme has yet to win a playoff game since 2005 and he just got a 5 year extension. Alex Smith, whose career highlights include winning 7 games with the Niners three years ago, is still competiting for his teams starting position in 2009. Eli Manning, for all of his struggles in his development, won a ring in his fourth year as a starter, and might get the biggest deal in league history. Kyle Orton has been one of the worst QBs in the NFL over the last four years, and he's still a team's QB of the future. Hell, Drew Bledsoe's career lasted another 8 years after he stopped playing well.

You see, that's the big picture. The race card got played in the abscence of an actual logical reason for the team's actions. You look at all the names above, and you do have to wonder that if Campbell's plight is just the status quo for an NFL quarterback, what's different about the guy's listed above.

The team can be not sold on anybody they want to. There's nothing wrong with making a change to improve at a position in March. The problem, of course, with telling your guy tht you're not sold on him...and then not really having a solid foundation for the belief is that you come off like someone with preconceived biases.

Now, I'm not saying Campbell should have gone there, or that going there makes anything different, or that life is fair, or that he's even entitled to a fair shake at his profession. I am saying that the evidence seems to strengthen his assessment, though it's still a case of correllation not equalling causation.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Is this serious? I don't remember the Seahawks trying to boot Hasselbeck after the 2003 playoff loss. He went to the pro bowl and super bowl two years later. Jake Delhomme has yet to win a playoff game since 2005 and he just got a 5 year extension. Alex Smith, whose career highlights include winning 7 games with the Niners three years ago, is still competiting for his teams starting position in 2009. Eli Manning, for all of his struggles in his development, won a ring in his fourth year as a starter, and might get the biggest deal in league history. Kyle Orton has been one of the worst QBs in the NFL over the last four years, and he's still a team's QB of the future. Hell, Drew Bledsoe's career lasted another 8 years after he stopped playing well.

You see, that's the big picture. The race card got played in the abscence of an actual logical reason for the team's actions. You look at all the names above, and you do have to wonder that if Campbell's plight is just the status quo for an NFL quarterback, what's different about the guy's listed above.

The team can be not sold on anybody they want to. There's nothing wrong with making a change to improve at a position in March. The problem, of course, with telling your guy tht you're not sold on him...and then not really having a solid foundation for the belief is that you come off like someone with preconceived biases.

Now, I'm not saying Campbell should have gone there, or that going there makes anything different, or that life is fair, or that he's even entitled to a fair shake at his profession. I am saying that the evidence seems to strengthen his assessment, though it's still a case of correllation not equalling causation.

So you really think that Zorn/Snyder or who ever looked to trade Campbell could not give a good reason for trading him. What do you want them to do? Go to the press and say. We are looking to trade JC because he is slow in the pocket, stairs down WR's, cannot make the big plays, holds the ball to long, etc... Now any team that wants to trade us for this great QB give us a call.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

So you really think that Zorn/Snyder or who ever looked to trade Campbell could not give a good reason for trading him. What do you want them to do? Go to the press and say. We are looking to trade JC because he is slow in the pocket, stairs down WR's, cannot make the big plays, holds the ball to long, etc... Now any team that wants to trade us for this great QB give us a call.

How is that any different from what they did do, which was try to trade their starting quarterback for a second or third round pick in an attempt to use multiple first round picks to get a slightly more different starting quarterback? It's not.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Is this serious? I don't remember the Seahawks trying to boot Hasselbeck after the 2003 playoff loss. He went to the pro bowl and super bowl two years later. Jake Delhomme has yet to win a playoff game since 2005 and he just got a 5 year extension. Alex Smith, whose career highlights include winning 7 games with the Niners three years ago, is still competiting for his teams starting position in 2009. Eli Manning, for all of his struggles in his development, won a ring in his fourth year as a starter, and might get the biggest deal in league history. Kyle Orton has been one of the worst QBs in the NFL over the last four years, and he's still a team's QB of the future. Hell, Drew Bledsoe's career lasted another 8 years after he stopped playing well.

You see, that's the big picture. The race card got played in the abscence of an actual logical reason for the team's actions. You look at all the names above, and you do have to wonder that if Campbell's plight is just the status quo for an NFL quarterback, what's different about the guy's listed above.

The team can be not sold on anybody they want to. There's nothing wrong with making a change to improve at a position in March. The problem, of course, with telling your guy tht you're not sold on him...and then not really having a solid foundation for the belief is that you come off like someone with preconceived biases.

Now, I'm not saying Campbell should have gone there, or that going there makes anything different, or that life is fair, or that he's even entitled to a fair shake at his profession. I am saying that the evidence seems to strengthen his assessment, though it's still a case of correllation not equalling causation.

I think you pretty much hit the nail on the head GTripp.

[MTK]

Can't wait for camp and some real news to talk about.

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Can't wait for camp and some real news to talk about.

yo'..............

[tryfuhl]

Good to hear some of those things from him. Seems like he changed his mind on what it's like being a black QB in the NFL compared to how he responded to McNabb's words a few years ago.

The article pretty much wrote Roydell Williams into being our 5th receiver. I wonder if that was based on info from Campbell and/or the organization, or just the writer's assumption.

[firstdown]

Its hard to play the race card when like 75% (thats a guess) of the starters in the NFL are African American.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Its hard to play the race card when like 75% (thats a guess) of the starters in the NFL are African American.

Not at quarterback.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Not at quarterback.

Why does that matter? If you have 75% starting that means that the coaches do not look at color and pick the best player and why would it be any different for the QB position? What is JC saying that the coaches might be looking past his talent because he is black. His numbers right now do not support his arguement.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Why does that matter? If you have 75% starting that means that the coaches do not look at color and pick the best player and why would it be any different for the QB position? What is JC saying that the coaches might be looking past his talent because he is black. His numbers right now do not support his arguement.

Oh, c'mon. Are you serious? While I'm not ready to say JC's comments are accurate, or that they were really at all relevant to a conversation he was having about the pressure he's facing in the upcoming year, to say that a certain percentage of African-American players in the league reflects overall colorblindness is ridiculous, especially as it relates to the quarterback position. There can be little doubt that African-American football players wanting to play the quarterback position were stymied for many years in the NFL on the basis of unfortunate beliefs about their level of intelligence, and this despite the healthly percentage of African-American players in the rest of the league during that time. Get real.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Oh, c'mon. Are you serious? While I'm not ready to say JC's comments are accurate, or that they were really at all relevant to a conversation he was having about the pressure he's facing in the upcoming year, to say that a certain percentage of African-American players in the league reflects overall colorblindness is ridiculous, especially as it relates to the quarterback position. There can be little doubt that African-American football players wanting to play the quarterback position were stymied for many years in the NFL on the basis of unfortunate beliefs about their level of intelligence, and this despite the healthly percentage of African-American players in the rest of the league during that time. Get real.

JC is talking about today and not years back which I do agree with you that they "were" (your choice of words not mine) at one time held back from the QB spot.

[MonkFan4Life]

Could it be that he wasn't so much playing the race card but maybe, possibly answering a question ?