Some Zorn Story...But It Hints at Campbell Getting Paid

[53Fan]

I like Zorn and I like the direction this team is going. I think a lot of people are going to be surprised....... and it's going to feel so good!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What the stat doesn't tell you is that JC probably completed and attempted more passes under 10 yards than anyone in the NFL. And I bet JC attempted and competed fewer passes over 10 yards than anyone. Bottom line JC needs to stop being a game manager and take more chances so the offense has more production and scores more points. If he does that, and the guys around him play better then he'll be just fine.

Well, empirically, Campbell's average pass traveled not as far as Cutler's. Specifically, in the second half of the year, Campbell's average pass distance declined, due to all the reasons we've been complaining about since November.

So, no, he didn't dink and dunk more than anyone in the NFL. Not even close. But there's evidence that the Redskins tried to limit the amount of downfield passes Campbell threw once rushers started getting to him before the passes got off.

As to whether or not that made his accuracy, well, consider why that happened. It wasn't because the throws were getting less difficult.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.

That's interesting, I'd like to see those numbers. How they calculate them and especially where everybody is ranked. Did you buy the Football Outsiders Almanac or was the info some place else?

[ethat001]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

Great work GTripp -- great stats!! That's why I come to these mesg boards, you guys get info I haven't seen or heard anywhere else.

I also completely agree that he's inflated these stats by dumping balls off, BUT it still says that he can still throw an accurate ball. I'm also surprised we had so many drops -- S.Moss has got to work on it -- I hope the 2nd year trio (DT/MK/FD) can start catching balls to help him out.

As always, I'm hopeful for the season. I just wish there weren't always so many IF's. IF our OL stays healthy, IF our WR's actually play, IF our QB starts throwing deep, IF Rak can play OLB, IF Portis can stay healthy..

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

That's interesting, I'd like to see those numbers. How they calculate them and especially where everybody is ranked. Did you buy the Football Outsiders Almanac or was the info some place else?

Bought the Almanac.

I can't post their stuff online in anything but an abbreviated form, so with that in mind, I'll throw out the top ten in QB Accuracy:

1. Brees 90.2%
2. P. Manning 87.0%
3. Favre 86.7%
4. Warner 86.5%
5. Garcia 86.0%
6. Cutler 85.8%
7. Campbell 85.7%
8. Delhomme 84.7%
9. Cassel 84.6%
10. Pennington 84.5%

League ave is listed at 82.6%

Other NFC East QBs:

19. Romo 81.9%
23. McNabb 81.2%
26. Manning 80.8%

[SBXVII]

I like Zorn, he reminds me of a young Gibbs. His only bad point I can see is he calls out players instead of simply diverting the attention as Gibbs did. I never see any point in pointing fingers when it's a team sport. Other then that I think he actually is good for the team and if given time hope he does well. I too feel this yr will be special ....but I have felt every yr would be "the yr." I guess if they have bolstered the O-line well enough then Campbell will do fine in my book but if the O-line struggles then expect the same as last yr.

As far as Campbell goes I like him. He doesn't get too excited or flustered but that is also is bad points. I still wonder about his ability to read defenses but if the O-line gives him time then perhaps he will do ok.

I'm not expecting a SB, and I'm not even expecting play offs as I have in the past. I simply want the team to be better then last yr. and not come in last place in the NFCEast. If they can do that I'll be satisfied. So long as they are showing improvement. If they digress then boot all the coach's and start over, allow the HC to pick his staff, give him time to build the team around what he's trying to do and that may mean cutting some players that don't fit the system. Although the defense is getting it done if the team decides to ax everything and start over then I would look into the 3-4 defense since we have AH.

I just hope Zorn does well so we are not "starting over" again. Any good offense takes what some believe ...3-5 yrs to master. We have not given any coach that time since Norv. Gibbs would have been given the time but went out and picked up Saunders and his system was tweeked too much. Basically learning a new offense all over again.

[an23dy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Bought the Almanac.

I can't post their stuff online in anything but an abbreviated form, so with that in mind, I'll throw out the top ten in QB Accuracy:



League ave is listed at 82.6%

Other NFC East QBs:

Thanks. Sorry for bothering you again, but can you tell me where Flacco is ranked? My roommate's a Ravens fan and he always argues with me that Flacco is better than Campbell. I always used to tell him Flacco missed throws much more often than Campbell, so I was always curious how what I saw translates to numbers.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by an23dy

Thanks. Sorry for bothering you again, but can you tell me where Flacco is ranked? My roommate's a Ravens fan and he always argues with me that Flacco is better than Campbell. I always used to tell him Flacco missed throws much more often than Campbell, so I was always curious how what I saw translates to numbers.

21st at 81.5%. Between Romo and McNabb.

[freddyg12]

Nice article & good stats GT.

What struck me about this is how a coach's approach can be seemingly well recieved by one player - Campbell - but not by another - Portis.

Also, that's really the first thing I recall reading that actually mentions that Snyder said he'll pay JC if he has a big year. I don't recall that ever making it to print before.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?

If Dan Synder would go out and give Haynesworth a 100 million contract their is no way that he doesnt want Jason to do well. We all know that Synder will reward you if you produce. We drafted 2 WR and a TE last yr draft so what makes you think their is a conspiracy to let Jason Campbell fail. Not a chance in Hell bro Synder loves to win.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

What the stat doesn't tell you is that JC probably completed and attempted more passes under 10 yards than anyone in the NFL. And I bet JC attempted and competed fewer passes over 10 yards than anyone. Bottom line JC needs to stop being a game manager and take more chances so the offense has more production and scores more points. If he does that, and the guys around him play better then he'll be just fine.

So I guess your trying to say is that the O-line has to give him time to get the ball down field. The WR have to get some seperation and catch the ball.Zorn needs to call a good game plan to set up the big plays. It takes a entire offense to make a play work , if one player breaks that could be the difference between scoring a TD or a 10 yard play.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Luv the stats...no surprises like you said GT. Our WR corp has been just abysmal in the big picture...much like our oline. IMHO we lost the playoff game against Seattle because of two things: piss-poor WR play and an awful oline. The FO has done very little to improve either thing up to this point.

...the conspiracy theorist might think the FO just doesn't want to give JC the opportunity to succeed?

The conspiracy theorist would also ignore the fact the team drafted 2 WRs and a TE last year, and pounced on Dockery the second he was available this year.

[redskins1974]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Football Outsiders came out with a new stat called "accurate pass rate" this year, which is defined as the percentage of passes not marked as "thrown ahead" "thrown behind" "overthrown" or "underthrown".

Campbell was 7th in the NFL last season with an 85.7% accuracy rate. He was also the quarterback most victimized by drops, 39 times. Moss, Randle El, and surprisingly, Portis were the biggest culprits. Moss was second in the NFL in drops behind Braylon Edwards, although, far behind Edwards and he wasn't in the top ten in terms of drop percentage (though Randle El was). Campbell was also (excluding only J. Garcia, who voluntarily runs into pressure) the most valuable passer in the league when he was pressured last year.

None of this says anything we didn't already know about Campbell, just further reinforces it.

Well I think his accuracy rating is inflated because of all the many times he threw a 5 yard completion on 3rd and 12.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

So I guess your trying to say is that the O-line has to give him time to get the ball down field. The WR have to get some seperation and catch the ball.Zorn needs to call a good game plan to set up the big plays. It takes a entire offense to make a play work , if one player breaks that could be the difference between scoring a TD or a 10 yard play.

that is true and i said everyone around him needs to play better. but that includes the qb too.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Nice article & good stats GT.

What struck me about this is how a coach's approach can be seemingly well recieved by one player - Campbell - but not by another - Portis.

Also, that's really the first thing I recall reading that actually mentions that Snyder said he'll pay JC if he has a big year. I don't recall that ever making it to print before.

I would think that would just be common sense to keep your QB when he starts hitting his stride. I just hope he hits that stride.