Brunell Revisited

SmootSmack · 10-06-2004, 12:27 AM

The notion that Ramsey's turnovers led to 0 points is true, but misleading. He threw an interception (and yes I realized Rod dropped the previous pass) in the end zone which cost the team 6 points-not including the extra point-in a 6 point loss

SmootSmack · 10-06-2004, 12:29 AM

And at least one of the timeouts Brunell called was because Cooley (or was it Sellers) was in the wrong formation

Brute44 · 10-06-2004, 12:43 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Coles drops balls because he has to outstretch all the time. He does drop a few that are thrown right to him, but the "fumble" was Brunell's fault.

What were you watching??? The ball was thrown perfectly to Coles. The ball wasn't even striped, Coles just dropped the ball as he was coming down. As I've said before, Coles has a middle finger that was dislocated, I've had that injury before but on my pinkie and let me tell you, IT DOESN'T HURT AT ALL WHEN ITS DISLOCATED. It hurts bigtime when the damn thing has to be reset back onto the joint. I had to go to the hospital to have mine reset into position. The nurse tried to reset it like 5 times and couldn't get it to pop back into place. By the fifth time I told the nurse to use a local anesthetic to ease the pain. My finger wasn't set back correctly and it wont straighten out right. It looks like I got 2 pinkie knuckles and its always bent like a hook. Now I got arthritis all the time. I don't know if Coles will have these problems down the road but he showed me a lot when he reset his finger without any help and didn't even come out of the game. This could be a nagging injury all season long if it wasn't reset properly.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-06-2004, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brute44

What were you watching??? The ball was thrown perfectly to Coles. The ball wasn't even striped, Coles just dropped the ball as he was coming down.

I just watched that catch again and Brunell actually threw high, causing Coles to jump pretty high and, as you noted, the ball was dropped as he came down. Brunell threw high and Coles dropped it.

Ultimately, Coles was to blame for that one, but Brunell could've thrown the ball a bit better. Brunell didn't have to throw high to get it to Coles and avoid an INT. It's simply Brunell's tendency to throw high.

Brute44 · 10-06-2004, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

I just watched that catch again and Brunell actually threw high, causing Coles to jump pretty high and, as you noted, the ball was dropped as he came down. Brunell threw high and Coles dropped it.

Ultimately, Coles was to blame for that one, but Brunell could've thrown the ball a bit better. Brunell didn't have to throw high to get it to Coles and avoid an INT. It's simply Brunell's tendency to throw high.

Well I just looked at the replay aswell and the pass was a little high, and it also looked like the defender was right on Coles in tight coverage and the ball was thrown so Coles could get it and nobody else. If theres a tendency to throw high, its high to Coles and Coles alone.

MTK · 10-06-2004, 09:33 AM

Can anyone honestly say that Brunell is the primary reason we are 1-3??

Portis deserves to be benched more than him.

Redskins_P · 10-06-2004, 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

Coles drops balls because he has to outstretch all the time. He does drop a few that are thrown right to him, but the "fumble" was Brunell's fault.

How is Coles fumble Brunells fault? I don't understand how its the quarterbacks fault when the receiver caught the ball and almost came down with it and lost it. So, what did Brunell go in there and knock the ball out?

ChounsMan · 10-06-2004, 10:46 AM

I've read all your responses guys & the fact is Gibbs's system works, it's just gonna take time for the team to adapt to his style of ball.
It's gonna turn around, we just have to be patient. I know these days we have forgot about that & we just expect to win & nothing less, but the truth is this season is all about learning the system & building chemistry.
We are a very talented team, but lack of chemistry & understanding of Gibbs's system is stalling production.
The Giants, Cowboys, Ravens, Chargers, etc... the list goes on...
We are equal to all these teams & probably better, we just need to focus & play as a team. Lavar not being on the D is an obvious loss. Lavar is a player that changes the impact of the D & he not playing has shown some weakness in certain situations.

BE PATIENT GUYS & WE WILL TURN THIS AROUND

MTK · 10-06-2004, 12:06 PM

Joey T tossed 20 picks his first year with Gibbs.

Gibbs isn't going to flip flop QB's, Brunell is his guy, he's had his back all season and he's going to stick with him through thick and thin.

The only way Ramsey is going to play is if Brunell gets hurt or plays himself out of the lineup, and the latter hasn't happened to date despite what people are saying.

SUNRA · 10-06-2004, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

1 of 11 on 3rd Down

I can't believe you fell for the ookie doke. This stat is the most deceptive of all stats. How many first downs did the Redskins get? 13 first downs. What down did they get the first downs on? Try first and second downs. Which means Brunell moved the ball down the field without relying on third downs to achieve a first down.

backrow · 10-06-2004, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Brute44

I've had that injury before but on my pinkie. My finger wasn't set back correctly and it wont straighten out right. It looks like I got 2 pinkie knuckles and its always bent like a hook.

Mine hurt Brute! But I continued on, beating my Godson at B-ball at the time! It is still bent, 5 years later!

I agree Matty! Brunell was brought in to manage the clock! That he does when the rest of the team lines up straight! Makes the yards without fumbling! Catches the ball without dropping it! Shooting itself in the foot with penalties! It's not his fault HOF Coach Gibbs won't go to a quick count/quick snap! It's not his fault HOF Coach Gibbs is stuck on a 45 second clock, and is in a time warp right now! It is not his fault, HOF Coach Gibbs throws the red flag needlessly! It's not his fault the counter plays are designed more for a Riggo styled back and not a Portis styled!

What I don't like about Brunell is the same thing I didn't like when he was in JVille! He has limitations. His arm is not Ram's arm! His hammy hurts!
He checks down without waiting!

But most of all, as was pointed out in the PS, he is a lot slower setting up in the play than Ram! His delivery is slower! His velocity is less! He cannot make up for any mistakes! In a word, he doesn't deliver value for the investment, imho! To me, it is all about value for product or service. There isn't much of his service that I like! Didn't like the trade then! Don't like it now! And now, he is HOF Gibb's main squeeze! I agree, Ram just will not get in there unless there is an injury!

irish · 10-06-2004, 02:43 PM

MB is not the reason for the 1-3 record or the sputtering O. If the finger has to be pointed at 1 player it has to be Portis. He has done as close to nothing as an RB can do. Sure we can make up reasons about the O line not blocking well or whatever but CP was brought here with a home run hitter rep that he has not lived up to. The O will never get on track until they can establish the running game to set up the pass. IMO CP is by far the biggest bust for the skins this year and maybe even the NFL.

MTK · 10-06-2004, 03:57 PM

I have a hard time calling Portis the biggest bust in the NFL, he's still on pace for close to 1500 yards despite his struggles. All the blame can't fall on him, some of it's got to go to the offensive line.

I can't even call him the biggest bust on the team, Mike Barrow anyone?

irish · 10-06-2004, 04:04 PM

Who was traded to get Barrow? How many draft picks were involved? Portis was brought in as a game breaker that would contribute immediately not a project or run of the mill free agent. Portis for better or worse had a lot to live up to coming to DC but thats why he's getting paid a big contract. Right now he's not getting the job done.

That Guy · 10-06-2004, 04:38 PM

if you want to blame portis, blame the crappy O line for not blocking for him and not creating any push...

the fumbles are his fault, but have mainly come on first hits that should have been blocked...

10-06-2004, 12:27 AM	#16
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	The notion that Ramsey's turnovers led to 0 points is true, but misleading. He threw an interception (and yes I realized Rod dropped the previous pass) in the end zone which cost the team 6 points-not including the extra point-in a 6 point loss __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-06-2004, 12:29 AM	#17
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	And at least one of the timeouts Brunell called was because Cooley (or was it Sellers) was in the wrong formation __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-06-2004, 10:46 AM	#23
ChounsMan Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Connecticut Age: 53 Posts: 312	I've read all your responses guys & the fact is Gibbs's system works, it's just gonna take time for the team to adapt to his style of ball. It's gonna turn around, we just have to be patient. I know these days we have forgot about that & we just expect to win & nothing less, but the truth is this season is all about learning the system & building chemistry. We are a very talented team, but lack of chemistry & understanding of Gibbs's system is stalling production. The Giants, Cowboys, Ravens, Chargers, etc... the list goes on... We are equal to all these teams & probably better, we just need to focus & play as a team. Lavar not being on the D is an obvious loss. Lavar is a player that changes the impact of the D & he not playing has shown some weakness in certain situations. BE PATIENT GUYS & WE WILL TURN THIS AROUND __________________ Throwing on 4th and inches..!

10-06-2004, 09:33 AM	#21
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Can anyone honestly say that Brunell is the primary reason we are 1-3?? Portis deserves to be benched more than him.

10-06-2004, 12:06 PM	#24
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	Joey T tossed 20 picks his first year with Gibbs. Gibbs isn't going to flip flop QB's, Brunell is his guy, he's had his back all season and he's going to stick with him through thick and thin. The only way Ramsey is going to play is if Brunell gets hurt or plays himself out of the lineup, and the latter hasn't happened to date despite what people are saying.

10-06-2004, 02:43 PM	#27
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	MB is not the reason for the 1-3 record or the sputtering O. If the finger has to be pointed at 1 player it has to be Portis. He has done as close to nothing as an RB can do. Sure we can make up reasons about the O line not blocking well or whatever but CP was brought here with a home run hitter rep that he has not lived up to. The O will never get on track until they can establish the running game to set up the pass. IMO CP is by far the biggest bust for the skins this year and maybe even the NFL.

10-06-2004, 03:57 PM	#28
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,518	I have a hard time calling Portis the biggest bust in the NFL, he's still on pace for close to 1500 yards despite his struggles. All the blame can't fall on him, some of it's got to go to the offensive line. I can't even call him the biggest bust on the team, Mike Barrow anyone?

10-06-2004, 04:04 PM	#29
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Who was traded to get Barrow? How many draft picks were involved? Portis was brought in as a game breaker that would contribute immediately not a project or run of the mill free agent. Portis for better or worse had a lot to live up to coming to DC but thats why he's getting paid a big contract. Right now he's not getting the job done.

10-06-2004, 04:38 PM	#30
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	if you want to blame portis, blame the crappy O line for not blocking for him and not creating any push... the fumbles are his fault, but have mainly come on first hits that should have been blocked...

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