Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying

redsk1 · 10-06-2009, 03:51 PM

Those points that the article brought up are legit Skins questions.

1- Can we win the SB w/our current team? My honest answer would be no. Sure any NFL team has a shot but a legit strong chance? No.

2- Why do we always think we are a player or two away? Are we? No, oline help, help at the playmaker positions-WR-RB-QB, and maybe a playmaker on D (even though Orakpo could be that guy).

Listen, we could turn this thing around this year. Let's play it out and see. At the end of the year if we are mediocre or worst, it's time to be honest.

over the mountain · 10-06-2009, 04:03 PM

yup the caps and ted have come a long way from when ted was squaring off with caps fans after he got rid of bonzai and others.

i still cling to the days of kelly miller, michal pivonka, mike ridley, langway, pete peeters, dale hunter, dino, alan may, bobby gould . . . even that nancy larry murphy. oh the glory days of hockey, how i miss them so . . .

oh back on topic . . . the DS could take a few pointers. I heard an interview with ted and he was asked what did he do when he first got the team and how did go aobut turning the caps around. he said he studied the nhl teams that always put out consistent winners and how they went about it thru the draft and developing their talent with a competent farm system. it was a great interview and ted really highlighted all the background research and studying he did in deciding to take the caps in the direction he did. but really the point he was making was that an owner should really breakdown and study the long term successful teams and model your approach after theirs.

the DS needs to eat some humble pie and spend a few dinners with ted to see how owners can learn, adjust and then thrive.

go skins!!

SmootSmack · 10-06-2009, 04:24 PM

It's just not the same owning the Redskins as it is owning the Capitals. Patience is harder to come by for the Redskins community.

skinsguy · 10-06-2009, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's just not the same owning the Redskins as it is owning the Capitals. Patience is harder to come by for the Redskins community.

True! But then again, we've waited almost 20 years for another Super Bowl Championship and still have not gotten close.

Daseal · 10-06-2009, 04:35 PM

SS makes a great point. This city is a skins city, and we never seem to be willing to just accept a bad team in the name of rebuilding. I think we need to throttle back, go young, reload, and build.

Also, I think part of the reason the Caps were so quiet in this town were two fold.

1) We now have arguably the biggest star in the NHL in DC right now, which is huge, especially in a sport like Hockey.
2) The strike hurt hockey a lot in general, and now the whole sport is rebounding a bit, not just the Caps.

I'll admit, I'm new to Hockey -- but going to a game got me hooked. I love it now!

mcarey032 · 10-06-2009, 09:06 PM

Not really a hockey fan, but I respect Leonsis for what he did with the Caps. It isn't easy to take a team who was built with Superstars and blow it up and suffer for a couple of seasons like he did, but he did it and stuck to it. Now if only a certain owner would get the message we might still be able to get a quality football person and coach before we become the Raiders of the east coast.

CRedskinsRule · 10-06-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

washingtonpost.com

I'm posting this Caps-Ted Leonis article in the Locker Room, because its what many of us would like to see happen in the Skins Front Office. I apologize in advance for another FO thread, but it's a great article.

A couple of quotes stand out:
"It is very sobering and painful when you look in the mirror and don't like what you see," Leonsis said. "It's easier to go down the 'We're-one-player-away' path. I've been there when I brought in Jaromir Jagr.

"But when you come to that clarity, 'Can this team win a championship?' And if your answer is, 'No,' then you have to do something."
Like tell the truth.

"Of course it was a gamble, because we had a team with brand-name players that fans thought they loved but in hindsight were just familiar to them," Leonsis said. "I said, 'You're going to hate this plan. This is a very hard message for you to internalize. But if you are patient with us, this is the only way we're going to compete for the Cup.' "
Risking losing even his loyalists by waving the white flag, he directly communicated "rebuild" instead of "reload," trotting out an on-the-cheap outfit for two years while promising eventual rewards from the draft and farm system.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's just not the same owning the Redskins as it is owning the Capitals. Patience is harder to come by for the Redskins community.

Smoot you took the words right off my fingertips. Not only that, but Hockey/baseball with their draft and farm system work far differently then the NFL. If DS seriously did what half the fan base says it wants - to blow up the roster, bring in scrubs for 2 years while the real team learned the ropes - the other half of the fan base would be screaming to blow up the FO. (figuratively of course, this isn't New York) And of course after the first 2-14 season, there would be no way that the HC would have any chance with the fan base. So by the 3rd week of the 2nd season you would see threads like HC on the hot seat, New coaches named who? or players would be scrutinized, and anyone defending the FO and saying that they have a plan would be called blind followers of the owner.

Of course, I could be wrong, I really have no reason to believe that any of the above would happen. Maybe DS could just hold the press conference today "Skins fans -- see ya in 2012, we will be ready to compete then"

redsk1 · 10-06-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Smoot you took the words right off my fingertips. Not only that, but Hockey/baseball with their draft and farm system work far differently then the NFL. If DS seriously did what half the fan base says it wants - to blow up the roster, bring in scrubs for 2 years while the real team learned the ropes - the other half of the fan base would be screaming to blow up the FO. (figuratively of course, this isn't New York) And of course after the first 2-14 season, there would be no way that the HC would have any chance with the fan base. So by the 3rd week of the 2nd season you would see threads like HC on the hot seat, New coaches named who? or players would be scrutinized, and anyone defending the FO and saying that they have a plan would be called blind followers of the owner.

Of course, I could be wrong, I really have no reason to believe that any of the above would happen. Maybe DS could just hold the press conference today "Skins fans -- see ya in 2012, we will be ready to compete then"

I don't think so. I think if you brought in a smart FO-GM type guy and a new coach who develop a plan and implement that plan I think Skins fans would be more patient than you think. I think we just want a plan. A good plan. I think a "new" plan and FO structure could do wonders for this organization. A new approach. With that being said we've got alot of good pieces here already that could be part of that new plan.

I don't see it as giving up on the next couple of years but i do see it as getting rid of dead weight w/ older players who aren't going to be around for too much longer anyway.

Who cares whether everyone is happy next year or the year after? They won't remember it so much if we can put together a good 10 year run.

CRedskinsRule · 10-06-2009, 05:03 PM

And after year one of the "new plan" those same fans would be saying Snyder is interfering, whether there is proof or not, they would scream that the GM is in Danny's pocket, and that the Skins qb can't get it done.

Sorry, I have very little faith in the patience of the fanbase.

SmootSmack · 10-06-2009, 05:07 PM

Any time a draft pick doesn't start right away we're calling him a bust and wondering why the Redskins wasted a pick on him. We've done it with Taylor, McIntosh, Rogers, Campbell, Kelly and so on

firstdown · 10-06-2009, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Any time a draft pick doesn't start right away we're calling him a bust and wondering why the Redskins wasted a pick on him. We've done it with Taylor, McIntosh, Rogers, Campbell, Kelly and so on

Well are we not rushing here saying the O sucks when alot of people said the WCO takes two years to learn?

SmootSmack · 10-06-2009, 05:09 PM

The NHL also has the advantage of having a minor league system. There is no Hershey Bears for us to send Colt Brennan to to get game reps

SFREDSKIN · 10-06-2009, 05:15 PM

Maybe Snyder should buy a UFL franchise and use it as a minor league farm system to develop players, then maybe all the other franchises will follow suit.

SmootSmack · 10-06-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Maybe Snyder should buy a UFL franchise and use it as a minor league farm system to develop players, then maybe all the other franchises will follow suit.

He should buy the Las Vegas team...then he can finally have Jim Fassel as a head coach

firstdown · 10-06-2009, 05:22 PM

Its funny if you ask someone how was the hockey game last night they will either say it was great they had alot of fights or it was OK they really didn't have any fights.

10-06-2009, 03:51 PM	#1
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying Those points that the article brought up are legit Skins questions. 1- Can we win the SB w/our current team? My honest answer would be no. Sure any NFL team has a shot but a legit strong chance? No. 2- Why do we always think we are a player or two away? Are we? No, oline help, help at the playmaker positions-WR-RB-QB, and maybe a playmaker on D (even though Orakpo could be that guy). Listen, we could turn this thing around this year. Let's play it out and see. At the end of the year if we are mediocre or worst, it's time to be honest.

10-06-2009, 04:03 PM	#2
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying yup the caps and ted have come a long way from when ted was squaring off with caps fans after he got rid of bonzai and others. i still cling to the days of kelly miller, michal pivonka, mike ridley, langway, pete peeters, dale hunter, dino, alan may, bobby gould . . . even that nancy larry murphy. oh the glory days of hockey, how i miss them so . . . oh back on topic . . . the DS could take a few pointers. I heard an interview with ted and he was asked what did he do when he first got the team and how did go aobut turning the caps around. he said he studied the nhl teams that always put out consistent winners and how they went about it thru the draft and developing their talent with a competent farm system. it was a great interview and ted really highlighted all the background research and studying he did in deciding to take the caps in the direction he did. but really the point he was making was that an owner should really breakdown and study the long term successful teams and model your approach after theirs. the DS needs to eat some humble pie and spend a few dinners with ted to see how owners can learn, adjust and then thrive. go skins!! __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

10-06-2009, 04:24 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying It's just not the same owning the Redskins as it is owning the Capitals. Patience is harder to come by for the Redskins community. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-06-2009, 04:35 PM	#5
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 8,341	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying SS makes a great point. This city is a skins city, and we never seem to be willing to just accept a bad team in the name of rebuilding. I think we need to throttle back, go young, reload, and build. Also, I think part of the reason the Caps were so quiet in this town were two fold. 1) We now have arguably the biggest star in the NHL in DC right now, which is huge, especially in a sport like Hockey. 2) The strike hurt hockey a lot in general, and now the whole sport is rebounding a bit, not just the Caps. I'll admit, I'm new to Hockey -- but going to a game got me hooked. I love it now! __________________ Best. Player. Available.

10-06-2009, 09:06 PM	#6
mcarey032 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Arlington, VA. Posts: 215	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying Not really a hockey fan, but I respect Leonsis for what he did with the Caps. It isn't easy to take a team who was built with Superstars and blow it up and suffer for a couple of seasons like he did, but he did it and stuck to it. Now if only a certain owner would get the message we might still be able to get a quality football person and coach before we become the Raiders of the east coast.

10-06-2009, 05:03 PM	#9
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 59 Posts: 21,744	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying And after year one of the "new plan" those same fans would be saying Snyder is interfering, whether there is proof or not, they would scream that the GM is in Danny's pocket, and that the Skins qb can't get it done. Sorry, I have very little faith in the patience of the fanbase.

10-06-2009, 05:07 PM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying Any time a draft pick doesn't start right away we're calling him a bust and wondering why the Redskins wasted a pick on him. We've done it with Taylor, McIntosh, Rogers, Campbell, Kelly and so on __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-06-2009, 05:09 PM	#12
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying The NHL also has the advantage of having a minor league system. There is no Hershey Bears for us to send Colt Brennan to to get game reps __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-06-2009, 05:15 PM	#13
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying Maybe Snyder should buy a UFL franchise and use it as a minor league farm system to develop players, then maybe all the other franchises will follow suit. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

10-06-2009, 05:22 PM	#15
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 62 Posts: 15,817	Re: Leonsis's Invention of Not Lying Its funny if you ask someone how was the hockey game last night they will either say it was great they had alot of fights or it was OK they really didn't have any fights.

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