Future/Rebuild/Good News?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Here are my keepers:

QB-Campbell (with a line he might be produce or he might not).
RB-Mason, Alridge, Sellers, Portis (because of his contract)
WR-Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell
TE-Cooley, Davis
OL-Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Montgomery, Williams
DL-Haynesworth, Golston, Alexander, Orakpo, Jarmon, Carter
LB-McIntosh, Blades, Fletcher, Wilson
S-Landry, Doughty, Horton, Moore
CB-Barnes, Tryon, Hall (only because of his contract)Rogers
P-Smith

I couldn't help but wondering who were you cutting. LOL. I did Portis cause of age and durability. Although I like Samuels, apparently he has some issue with his kneck? apparently had it for the last 2-3 yrs? Time to move on. I would keep the older guys maybe for the interior of the line until younger guys can be trained but the Tackle positions need new fresh blood. True Tackles. Carter I might use to spell people or let him go also. Other then that I like your list. Edit: I forgot about Rabach, He seems too small to me and gets run over by the bigger nose tackles. Maybe find a new younger Center....oh waite we picked one up last yr.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Redskin Warrior

We need to keep JC as a backup at least but where is Moss?

Gone, time for either JC or whoever to lose their crutch. Moss gets over used now unless the team decided to move him to the 4th or 5th WR spot and have him relieve the young guys once and a while you could expect him to get over worked and injured again to only sit out a few games.

[Chico23231]

I think the most important in rebuilding is first getting rid of Vinny and hiring a GM that will keep Snyders' opinions, as just f-ing opinions and not decisions. It all starts there. We have the talent no doubt and I like the group of young guys you highlight as guys who can be a core. I think, and this is the first time I have said it, but we need to part with JC and Portis. We need a new offense all together and at the skill positions we need to turn these guys loose and look for some guys who can be real leaders on the offensive unit.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Here are my keepers:

QB-Campbell (with a line he might be produce or he might not).
RB-Mason, Alridge, Sellers, Portis (because of his contract)
WR-Kelly, Thomas, Mitchell
TE-Cooley, Davis
OL-Samuels, Dockery, Rabach, Montgomery, Williams
DL-Haynesworth, Golston, Alexander, Orakpo, Jarmon, Carter
LB-McIntosh, Blades, Fletcher, Wilson
S-Landry, Doughty, Horton, Moore
CB-Barnes, Tryon, Hall (only because of his contract)Rogers
P-Smith

That's fine if you want to keep those guys. Just be ready for an average to below average football team.

[skinsfan69]

I mentioned this in another thread but does anyone know the contract situation w/ Kevin Kolb?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

That's fine if you want to keep those guys. Just be ready for an average to below average football team.

Especially with those WRs. Nobody there is cut out to be a number 1 or even a number 2 WR right now.

Need a QB, O-Line and WRs.

Orakpo needs to be moved to DE and then look for a star OLB. Blades is a backup/ST player at best.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I mentioned this in another thread but does anyone know the contract situation w/ Kevin Kolb?

Free agent after next season. Why him?

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

Well what more is there to say about this season? It has, in my eyes, ended before it could even get started. So lets look at the positives.

*Jim Zorn is on his way out. One way or the other he's done.

*Dan Snyder isn't stupid. If he could ever get his ego in check we'd have a good football team. Let's cross our fingers and hope he gets it soon. The writing is on the wall and all fingers point back to him and Cerrato. Fans are leaving this team or they just don't care anymore. I've talked to them in Richmond (big Skins town) and this is the case from my experience.

*I don't think that Vinny has much time left. We have drafted a few O-Linemen over the past ten years but few have panned out, although some of the D-lineman have. His hit and miss talent evaluation game is done IMO.

*Like it or not this is rock bottom. Don't even try to argue. When you get beat by the Lions you're done. Accept it and move on.

*I think a lot of players are going to want to leave by the end of the season. Some already do, IE Carlos Rogers.

This might be bad news to some; to me this is great news. Why?

* It all starts at the top. If Danny can get his ego in check and turn this organization to a competent above average GM, then it would be a start. You don't make that kind of money being a fool. He took a huge step back after Gibbs left. Now he's having dinner with . . . . Gibbs? He has to look in the mirror and man up. You know he hears it. Jimmie Johnson has said it, commentators say it, fans say it, players say it, newspapers say it, everyone is saying it. This is your fault, you grifter mother effer.

* Vinny and Zorn can hit the bricks together.

* There is a big possibility that next year will be uncapped. Teams wouldn't be hurt as bad picking up a good Skins player for draft picks. The bad blood can leave for another team. We can cut guys we're tied to that are unproductive.

* We've talked about how old our team is for a long time now. I've looked at the roster and we've a lot of young guys that could be the back bone of a rebuilt team, not to mention guys that are still in their prime. IE: Doughty, Horton, Tryon, McIntosh, Blades, Jarmon, Orakpo, Wilson, Golston, Montgomery, Haynesworth. Notice I didn't put any offensive players in that list. IMO opinion we should trade Cooley for draft picks to use on the o-line. I like the guy but it pains me see his talent go wasted. He is about the only player another team would want.

* The coaches can hit the bricks too. Let the new GM pick who he wants, not some hodge podge of coaches picked by Vinny and Danny.

This is all theoretical but for me this has been long enough. If Danny doesn't man up then I will, and switch to another team until he sells the Redskins. That's good news to me. Why should anyone waste their time watching this BS? Enough is enough, no more excuses!

If you know more about football or this organization than I do, no stretch there, then chime in.

What Sayeth The Mob?

I think you're right. We're just not that talented on Offense. There are 31 teams that DO NOT want Jason Campbell as their long term starting QB, Santana Moss as their primary WR, Clinton Portis as their #1 RB or any of our Offensive Linemen. Cooley is probably the only player on Offense that other teams covet. Maybe Sellers as well, although he's getting up there in age, as is Samuels. The entire Offense needs to be re-built.

[KLHJ2]

Smootsmack beat me to it. No reason to have 2 posts with the same information. Please enjoy the immage.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Trample the Elderly:

Why are you so sure Danny Boy is hampered solely by his ego? Because he made a lot of money in industry? By that logic, Bill Gates would be a GREAT NFL owner who would win all the time.


Why are you sure that Vinny will be gone next year? Recall that Vinny has survived years of 5-11 that were as brutally ugly as these first few weeks of 2009 have been - - and he is still here. Vinny is Danny Boy's racket ball opponent; Vinny enables Danny Boy's urge to meddle and to treat the team as a fantasy football team. What makes you sure Danny Boy wants him gone? The last time Vinny was gone was that horrible time when Marty Schottenheimer ran the team and wouldn't let Danny Boy do anything except sit in the owners' box. That ain't happenin' again...


This is not true of every player on the roster but it is true about a whole lot of them: They are here for the payday they get from signing with Danny Boy and they don't care as much about the Burgandy and Gold as half the fans do. You think a bunch have checked out on the season; you are absolutely right. But they aren't going to leave town with any time left on their fat contracts unless they are kicked out by whomever makes the personnel decisions here - - and that would be Vinny and Danny Boy the guys who signed them in the first place.


If you think I'm exaggerating in that last point, look at the games so far this year. Is Albert Haynesworth playing like a guy who is WORTH a $100M contract with $40+M guaranteed? He's not playing badly; he's actually playing well; but worth that much? Same goes for a boatload of other FAs who come in here and play just hard enough to keep their jobs. It's been happening for a while now; only Vinny and Danny Boy don't seem to notice.

[mlmpetert]

I see no reason to get rid of or replace Campbell. No one is going to do much better in the current circumstances.

I will also add that i am also officially fed up. The Redskins are not only bad but are the least exciting team to watch. Ive fallen asleep during the last 3 games. I just dont really care anymore about this seasons. I love them, but I just dont care right now.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Free agent after next season. Why him?

Well he looks like he's ready to be a starter.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Well he looks like he's ready to be a starter.

Kind of a small sample size to base it on don't you think? I'm not convinced he's a better choice than Campbell at this point.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

I see no reason to get rid of or replace Campbell. No one is going to do much better in the current circumstances.

I will also add that i am also officially fed up. The Redskins are not only bad but are the least exciting team to watch. Ive fallen asleep during the last 3 games. I just dont really care anymore about this seasons. I love them, but I just dont care right now.

ROFLMAO, Sorry. I know that when the Redskins game came on everything stopped for me. No grocery store, no mowing the lawn, no anything. I was glued to the set through thick and thin. Now I find myself doing other things and stopping for a few min. to observe the game. Last week I spent more time on the internet ..here.. saying they would lose and the score would be 19-17, I was off by one point. I just don't care either and now the Capitals are killing me and I hope the Wizards have a decent showing but atleast I can understand if they don't cause they have a new HC starting a new scheme.

[redsk1]

Yes, we have mediocre talent. I'm ok w/ getting rid of some older guys as our team needs to be built thru young talented players. What did Ted Leonis say about always thinking you are a player or two away? It's not a very smart way to go about building a team. Be honest w/ yourself.

We do have some building blocks here mostly on defense. On offense, i'd like to keep Cooley and ummm, ahh, mmmm..