Should Snyder listen to his players?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

Even if all those things were true and more about Snyder I wouldn't care. I wouldn't even mind Snyder running the player personnel operations and fan club. If the team just played at a descent/respectable level on the field. Other then a few moments under Gibbs II was there brief accomplishment. But Snyder & Ceratto always manage to run the team back into the ground again. His unwillingness to hire a good Gm and let him run the team is what makes fans hate him. Not his exterior or behavior.
Just win baby. The fans will love you again....warts and all.

For every game the Redskin lose right now, Snyder is feeling it big time. These articles and player comments in the press. The team losing to the worst teams in the NFL. Redskins a laughing stock in the media. You better believe this is stressing him. Maybe it is what he needs so he learns to delegate to professional football men. Time will tell if continues to make an ass of himself or he digs himself out.

I would certainly agree regarding the "No GM" deal, as it appears that is the truth but I said, his character is constantly under assault as well. Something that cannot be accurately contrived without actual personal knowledge......

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

I really was not singling you out, but DS has recieved 40 lifetimes full of BS about his character from people that do not have any personal knowledge of him. He may deserve it, but AT LEAST it should come from actual knowledge.

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by Hog1

One thing that I have to give to Dan's side is that basically he has been tried and convicted of being a pompous, cretanic, uncaring bastard, etc on the basis of?????
Anybody had any direct contact with him?
He may be, but to my knowledge, nobody here can.....legitimately substantiate it

The majority of the criticism leveled towards Snyder is not on a personal basis, it has more to do with the way he has run the team for the last decade. He could be the greatest guy in the world for all we know of him on a personal level, it's the football decisions he makes that has for a long time rubbed people the wrong way.

[skinsfan_nn]

Hell no! If the players were doing there job on the field we wouldn't have a thread of this nature, and YES of course Zorn does take a fair share of that responsibility. Bottom line in my opinion Zorn was no where close to being ready for a HC candidate. Do the players run the team OR the coach, we know who owns the team the man that pays the bills. I want a STRONG leader (HC) at the helm that runs the team not vise versa, something I strongly believe (Even as nice a guy as Zorn appears to be) Zorn is not a leader a men.

If it's my team the last people I would be listening to are the underachieving players (And how many are really wanting Zorn to be around..? Unnamed sources?). That I'm paying!

The players need to just play, put up OR shut-up, and stop listening to the media (Blaming the media as I read yesterday, what a joke). Whoever the Coach ends up being needs to Coach, apparently old school style with this group. While the owner pays the bills and the ultimate decision on who he decides to Coach this team is up to him. I wouldn't blame lil Danny boy one bit if he fired Zorn, its a tough business. Based on production. The SKINS 4-10 in the last fourteen, with ZERO signs of improvement, if anything we are in reverse. Thats the kind of production that will not be acceptable in DC OR just about anywhere else.

[SFREDSKIN]

Great read, my beef is with VC. Is he not the acting GM? Snyder is a passionate fan just like pretty much all of us, he needs to realize that you build a franchise not buy one. I hope after this year that he has learned that lesson.

[htownskinfan]

Originally Posted by backrow

This really becomes a poll question:

Should Dan Snyder give Coach Zorn a vote of confidence?


I say no. A vote of confidence is usually the kiss of death!

I say great if it is the kiss,you actually want zorn to stay?

[Hog1]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much

Now that you mention it, I think the Skins could greatly benefit from a "hard ass" type of coach. Gruden generally has that reputation. THAT is one of the things I like about him.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Hog1

Now that you mention it, I think the Skins could greatly benefit from a "hard ass" type of coach. Gruden generally has that reputation. THAT is one of the things I like about him.

Yeah if we're stuck w/ lil D and Vinny running the FO for the foreseeable future then Gruden is probably the best candidate to come in and make due w/ the personnel he's given. We WILL have to make room for at least 4 qbs on the roster though lol.

[SBXVII]

When I heard this I was unsure how to take this. My first few thoughts were...

1. The players are afraid of who might be brought in as HC.
2. The players are afraid to lose their club med lifestyle
3. Players know that if there is a change, "Rebuild" mode maybe eminent. Which means they may be cut or traded.
4. Players are feigning loyalty for some reason. Perhaps players went to Snyder and complained that Zorn doesn't have a clue, Zorn found out and now players are covering their tracks.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I hear you and I def am sorry to come out defensive. To his credit, according to many, Snyder has been a benevolent billionaire, giving substantially to charity and whatnot. I don't know the numbers myself.

...it's sort of parallels various discussions about coaching styles. I think a number of truly great coaches are probably hard-ass types w/o much for manners. Maybe they don't get along well w/ everyone but sure seem to command respect from their roster and it shows on the field, every game, every down. Coughlin comes to mind immediately but I could name a dozen. Well, I'll take that guys over the nice coach who can't lead men any day of the week, just as I'll take a jerk owner who knows his business over the nice one who can't get out of his own way (to borrow the perfectly suited phrase from GMScud) when it comes to putting a winner together. Watching lousy football week in and week out has just gotten to be too much

Keep in mind, most business men who have a lot of money will find a way to make themselves look good yet help themselves against the IRS.

[warpaint]

DS should not listen to those over paid fools.He needs to get someone in there that he can listen two Mike Holmgren GM.

[CultBrennan59]

Should he; yes. Will he; no.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Excellent post man! I tend to disagree on Snyder's reaction, or lack thereof. But overall you really wrap the whole idea of a football franchise into a nice paragraph.

Thanks.
I really do think Snyder is living one of his worst moments as owner of the Redskins right now. He is feeling it. This current bad situation is at least tied for worst along with the worst moment in the Spurrier era. They would have to be at least tied for worst moment for DS as owner.
DS loves to make a splash in the media and to be talked about positively in the media. He comes from an advertising background and he knows the advantages of good press. By him looking the fool in the national media day on an hourly basis right now and the Redskins organization being an embarrassment, DS has to be losing his hair at a faster pace than normal.
When I watched a little NFL network or ESPN NFL news this week the Redskins demise is a semi-hot topic right now. We are a talking point in the national sports/football media. That is painful.

[T.A.P.O.A.F.O.R.]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

The majority of the criticism leveled towards Snyder is not on a personal basis, it has more to do with the way he has run the team for the last decade. He could be the greatest guy in the world for all we know of him on a personal level, it's the football decisions he makes that has for a long time rubbed people the wrong way.

not sure i totally agree. most of the local writers have been reasonable, but i think the more national figures always add this personal note. i mean jimmy johnson was condescending i thought. i even remember madden in the first few years of snyder making some fairly unprofessional comments from the booth. i think snyder really rubbed some people the wrong way, and those in a less rigorous media have let him know it.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Keep in mind, most business men who have a lot of money will find a way to make themselves look good yet help themselves against the IRS.

Word. The only two dudes I really believe are "charity-minded" are Gates and Buffet because from what I understand both have committed the bulk of their fortunes...but I'll give blokes like Snyder the benefit of the doubt.