What's wrong with the Redskins?

[diehard]

Neglecting the o-line has caught up with us but, more accuratey, not drafting and developing quality prospects overall have dug us into this hole. And at this point we can not scrap the team. It's not the young players that are holding this team's play and chemistry back. It's the decision of FO and coaches relying on older players too long. Mike Williams, Griffin, Daniels, and to a lesser degree, Randy Thomas, Fletcher and Rabach. Notice that all of these players were FA aquisitions but, the failure of drafting young guys to eventually replace them has doomed the team.

On the flip side, I think we're sitting prettty with our WR corps (Davis included) in regards to the near future. We have to continue to develop these guys. And what that means is, giving them significant playing time and working with what they do well.

Then there's the coach and the WCO...

[Paintrain]

One area we overlook sometimes in light of the obvious issues (OL depth, age, lack of an organizational plan) is our coaching staff. Looking at our coaching staff, outside of maybe 3 coaches (Gray, Olividatti and Steve Jackson) I can't think of anyone that another team would scoop up quickly if they were available. We've got a bunch of coaches that are just 'guys'.

There's a reason Bugel was sitting at home by the pool for years, John Palermo was in college, Chris Meidt was at an NAIA Div.III school, etc. We don't have young, hungry assistants that are cutting edge, we're stale and stagnant (another remnant of the Gibbs 2.0 era that I loathe more and more everyday) and the fact that they were holdovers from the previous coaching staff didn't do any service to Zorn.

For years we've been stuck in the mud as a franchise, surely from above, but also from the aspect of the coaching staff. Hopefully the new regime will bring in an entirely new staff, fresh faces and ideas to bring us current and renew our competitiveness.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One area we overlook sometimes in light of the obvious issues (OL depth, age, lack of an organizational plan) is our coaching staff. Looking at our coaching staff, outside of maybe 3 coaches (Gray, Olividatti and Steve Jackson) I can't think of anyone that another team would scoop up quickly if they were available. We've got a bunch of coaches that are just 'guys'.

There's a reason Bugel was sitting at home by the pool for years, John Palermo was in college, Chris Meidt was at an NAIA Div.III school, etc. We don't have young, hungry assistants that are cutting edge, we're stale and stagnant (another remnant of the Gibbs 2.0 era that I loathe more and more everyday) and the fact that they were holdovers from the previous coaching staff didn't do any service to Zorn.

For years we've been stuck in the mud as a franchise, surely from above, but also from the aspect of the coaching staff. Hopefully the new regime will bring in an entirely new staff, fresh faces and ideas to bring us current and renew our competitiveness.

One of the most insightful posts I've read in a long, long time. I mean I always single out Hixon as arguably one of the least successful coaches in professional football, having never developed a player, but you're absolutely right there's actually a trend of mediocrity there throughout. Yet another indictment of absolute piss-poor FO management. We seem to be a franchise w/o "connections" in the sense of recruiting legit talent across the various facets of the organization. This, IMO, is squarely on lil Danny. Vinny is allegedly the player evaluator, but w/o a true GM to assemble the coaching staff we've just drifted in that dept.

[Redskin Jim]

Originally Posted by The Goat

One of the most insightful posts I've read in a long, long time. I mean I always single out Hixon as arguably one of the least successful coaches in professional football, having never developed a player, but you're absolutely right there's actually a trend of mediocrity there throughout. Yet another indictment of absolute piss-poor FO management. We seem to be a franchise w/o "connections" in the sense of recruiting legit talent across the various facets of the organization. This, IMO, is squarely on lil Danny. Vinny is allegedly the player evaluator, but w/o a true GM to assemble the coaching staff we've just drifted in that dept.

Dude, you and Paintrain hit the nail on the head. EVERYONE who follows or looks into this team realizes there are fundamental problems from the top down in this organization. Top of the pyrimid if you will, #1 danny- no head for how a football team is ran or constructed. #2 lil danny has no idea how a football front office is constructed. #3 lil dickie has no eye for football talent, THEREFORE, no eye for football tallent evaluator... etc so on and so on. VERY SAD, sad for us as fans, sad for the team, sad SITUATION. hail to the redskins...

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

One area we overlook sometimes in light of the obvious issues (OL depth, age, lack of an organizational plan) is our coaching staff. Looking at our coaching staff, outside of maybe 3 coaches (Gray, Olividatti and Steve Jackson) I can't think of anyone that another team would scoop up quickly if they were available. We've got a bunch of coaches that are just 'guys'.

There's a reason Bugel was sitting at home by the pool for years, John Palermo was in college, Chris Meidt was at an NAIA Div.III school, etc. We don't have young, hungry assistants that are cutting edge, we're stale and stagnant (another remnant of the Gibbs 2.0 era that I loathe more and more everyday) and the fact that they were holdovers from the previous coaching staff didn't do any service to Zorn.

For years we've been stuck in the mud as a franchise, surely from above, but also from the aspect of the coaching staff. Hopefully the new regime will bring in an entirely new staff, fresh faces and ideas to bring us current and renew our competitiveness.

Good points

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[rbanerjee23]

Everyone knows the answer, even the pundits on NFL.com...you need to draft good linemen (both offensive and defensive) and then develop them yourself unless you're insanely good at finding cast offs who play great for you (see New England). Who is the best team in the league? hate to say it on this site...but its the Giants why? They have homegrown talent on the trenches, they draft well and then develop.

I want to know how Joe Bugel still has a job...he hasn't had much to work with but it seems like Chris Samuels has gotten worse, Heyer hasn't stepped up, Rhinehart hasn't been developed...that all points to Buges.

Draft and develop linemen, time tested strategy...

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Everyone knows the answer, even the pundits on NFL.com...you need to draft good linemen (both offensive and defensive) and then develop them yourself unless you're insanely good at finding cast offs who play great for you (see New England). Who is the best team in the league? hate to say it on this site...but its the Giants why? They have homegrown talent on the trenches, they draft well and then develop.

I want to know how Joe Bugel still has a job...he hasn't had much to work with but it seems like Chris Samuels has gotten worse, Heyer hasn't stepped up, Rhinehart hasn't been developed...that all points to Buges.

Draft and develop linemen, time tested strategy...

I've said it repeatedly, especially at draft time - great teams are built from the inside out. Chris Samuels is getting older, Heyer is what he is (an undrafted FA), and Rinehart is looking like a division 1-AA reach that is leaning toward bust. You mention the Giants - look at the number of 1st and 2nd rounders they've invested in both the O and D lines. They addressed those needs first, and now are filling out a nice WR and secondary over the last two drafts.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Everyone knows the answer, even the pundits on NFL.com...you need to draft good linemen (both offensive and defensive) and then develop them yourself unless you're insanely good at finding cast offs who play great for you (see New England). Who is the best team in the league? hate to say it on this site...but its the Giants why? They have homegrown talent on the trenches, they draft well and then develop.

I want to know how Joe Bugel still has a job...he hasn't had much to work with but it seems like Chris Samuels has gotten worse, Heyer hasn't stepped up, Rhinehart hasn't been developed...that all points to Buges.

Draft and develop linemen, time tested strategy...

The reason Joe Bugel has a job is because he stoll is living on his past reputation with Gibbs and the hogs. What has he or the team done lately. He is not the entire problem but he has not been a strong influence on the FO to draft O-Line since he returned. You would think his opinion would carry some weight with the Front Office regarding bringing in young O-Lineman. Bugle always down playing the line like it's going to be ok. Its time for him to go call BINGO after the season.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

The reason Joe Bugel has a job is because he stoll is living on his past reputation with Gibbs and the hogs. What has he or the team done lately. He is not the entire problem but he has not been a strong influence on the FO to draft O-Line since he returned. You would think his opinion would carry some weight with the Front Office regarding bringing in young O-Lineman. Bugle always down playing the line like it's going to be ok. Its time for him to go call BINGO after the season.

I often wonder if Bugel is not the problem and part of the reason why we don't target more OL.

[skinster]

17 passes in 14 trips to the red zone...wow

[Capskins]

The Redskins are also still paying worthless players that we brought to the roster a few years back, such as Branon Lloyd, a punter or two, and they also made terrible decisions in picking up TJ Duckett, Shaun Alexander, the safety who now plays for Seattle that we had in 06, and there are quite a few more i can't think of at the moment. i think the Redksins did look at the offensive line more than us fans know, but they chose to go for players who might make a bang ot\r two this season like Malcolm Kelly and Devon Thomas. Obviously not a smart decision, and as for Cambell, any quarterback will perform well with a solid O-line, some of the blame does fall on him for inaccuracy and decisions but how accurate can you be when you have a truck coming in on your blindside, and when he does a\have protection i think he still is too cautious because he isn't used to it due to the rare occurance of it ever happening.

[diehardskin2982]

The issue with the redskins is at the QB position. Jason Campbell's lack of confidence has effected the who offense. We need to pick up Jeff Garcia to finish the season.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

The issue with the redskins is at the QB position. Jason Campbell's lack of confidence has effected the who offense. We need to pick up Jeff Garcia to finish the season.

If that's a typo, it still makes sense.