Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year?

SBXVII · 10-26-2009, 09:24 AM

Pay off the majority of AH's contract during the no CAP yr. Rework the contract in regards to the remaining money's owed.

Time to part ways with CP. Pay him off and cut him. We need young healthy RB's who actually want to play, not RB's who think preseason is not important. Timing is everything and CP fails to see the importance of him being on the field getting reps so the O-lineman and QB get their timing down.

Longtimefan · 10-26-2009, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

RT

You know that that stands for. If you need a hint: Schneed10

Yeah! I would think Schneed10 would be the man, It's been so long since we've played an uncapped year, all the ramifications associated with it seem like a blur at this point. There will probably be new rules in place that didn't exist before we moved to a salry cap.

djnemo65 · 10-26-2009, 10:48 AM

Why the hate for Al? He is coming off a 12 million a year game.

Trample the Elderly · 10-26-2009, 11:25 AM

I can see dumping Portis but why dump Haynesworth? He's one of the only ones out there that knows what the hell he's doing. The money is going to be there for him; so there's no need to try and get out of anything or save money.

Monkeydad · 10-26-2009, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Dude y would we trade big al??? He has made our pass rush good for the first time in yrs!!

Because, he's Gus Frerotte.

As for Portis, the answer (cap-wise) is no. We'll never get enough in return to make up for his big salary.

I still think Portis has something left in the tank if he had a line in front of him and didn't have to run the same play every time. He just had the longest run of his career. We're better off keeping him and trying to keep him fresh AND blocked for, a lot like the NJ Jets are doing to keep Thomas Jones productive as he's getting older.

munny · 10-26-2009, 11:33 AM

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

Longtimefan · 10-26-2009, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I can see dumping Portis but why dump Haynesworth? He's one of the only ones out there that knows what the hell he's doing. The money is going to be there for him; so there's no need to try and get out of anything or save money.

For those who choose to criticize Haynesworth obviously haven't taken into consideration the fact the man is pushing more than 600 pounds on every snap he plays. It's not unrealistic to asume he will gradually tire. Since he occupies so many blockers, more should be expected from the players around him.

Monkeydad · 10-26-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by munny

I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

munny · 10-26-2009, 12:15 PM

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

warpaint · 10-26-2009, 12:27 PM

Gus great question I have been really intrested in the whole uncapped year and what are the positives and negatives for our team because we have been spending without regard for some time now. I've been wondering what can we do next year that will help us out thats if it will be the only uncapped year?

What about other players on the roster? We are paying alot of money to multiple players that are not performing to there pay , by that I mean they will be paid to shower basiclly (Dion Sanders).

So can we pay Big Al the majority of his contract next year and instead of the year that we owe him 36million we will owe him say 3 or 4million? I have more qustions but if any one can answer those it will give me a better understanding because I am clueless on this matter?

SFREDSKIN · 10-26-2009, 12:33 PM

If I were to trade or cut players next year, it would be:

Hall
Betts
Moss
Griffin
Thomas
Samuels (retiring)
Daniels
Wynn
Montgomery
Heyer
Yoder
Suisham
Landry

munny · 10-26-2009, 12:43 PM

The only thing you really need to advance is the bonus. Otherwise you commit money unnecessarily. If the player just has normal salary, you can always cut them and pay no penalty, so we just would need to advance those bonuses.

My list would be a bit different. I would simply have a short list of keepers and everyone else I won't shed a tear for -- if it meant a real, true, rebuilding team based on youth and draft picks.

Keep:
Offense: Cooley
Defense: Mcintosh, Orakpo, Jarmon, Landry(I still have hope).

That's it.

GridIron26 · 10-26-2009, 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by munny

Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

Although I'm not 100% certain; I think it's more of due to scheme issues. Blache always have Hall to give receivers 10 yards cushion or something like that.. It's pretty difficult to shut down receivers when you are 10 yards away; trust me, I know..

redsk1 · 10-26-2009, 03:17 PM

I would most likely cut CP next year. We need a fresh start and new blood. I guess that's a decision for new management though (hopefully).

redsk1 · 10-26-2009, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buster

Dumping Haynesworth and Halll...wow...they've both played extremely well and are bright spots in this nightmare of a season. Look how many sacks the D-line is getting...Carter and Orakpo included...they're attributable to the attention Haynesworth demands. Hall has been great except for one missed tackle in a game we weren't going to win anyways because our offense needed to score again. He's leading the team in INTs and they've been key picks with good runbacks that set up the offense to score. They need all the defensive help they can get.

AH has pretty well IMO. Everybody is on him about the # of plays he's on the field for. Guess what, other teams sub too. Imagine that.

Hall on the other hand, i'll disagree w/ you. He's not bad. He's above average tops. He's not worth the money we paid him. We overpaid, big time. As usual right. He does make some int's which is great though but just not a shut down cb.

10-26-2009, 09:24 AM	#16
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Pay off the majority of AH's contract during the no CAP yr. Rework the contract in regards to the remaining money's owed. Time to part ways with CP. Pay him off and cut him. We need young healthy RB's who actually want to play, not RB's who think preseason is not important. Timing is everything and CP fails to see the importance of him being on the field getting reps so the O-lineman and QB get their timing down.

10-26-2009, 10:48 AM	#18
djnemo65 Playmaker Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,836	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Why the hate for Al? He is coming off a 12 million a year game.

10-26-2009, 11:25 AM	#19
Trample the Elderly Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Three Chopt Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 2,906	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? I can see dumping Portis but why dump Haynesworth? He's one of the only ones out there that knows what the hell he's doing. The money is going to be there for him; so there's no need to try and get out of anything or save money. __________________ A funny thing happened on the way to the temple. The moneychangers bought the priesthood.

10-26-2009, 11:33 AM	#21
munny Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? I think the real trick would be if we could accelerate his bonus to 2011. If you could pay off the bonus next year, then you could dump him the moment his performance started to fall without any dead money for it. Fat Boy is playing well, be he is not worth the turbo inflated money and it is a huge handcuff in future years. I have no problem dumping him(and Hall too), but it would be better to just accelerate the bonus if you could.

10-26-2009, 12:15 PM	#24
munny Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Hall has played like crap. He is the easiest first down in the game. He simply cannot cover in man. He is ok in zone when he gets help over the top, but he simply can't cover. Playing 6 winless teams has made him look passable if you only look at the numbers. I expect the Iggles to scorch him.

10-26-2009, 12:27 PM	#25
warpaint The Starter Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: The Great State of Texas Posts: 1,022	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? Gus great question I have been really intrested in the whole uncapped year and what are the positives and negatives for our team because we have been spending without regard for some time now. I've been wondering what can we do next year that will help us out thats if it will be the only uncapped year? What about other players on the roster? We are paying alot of money to multiple players that are not performing to there pay , by that I mean they will be paid to shower basiclly (Dion Sanders). So can we pay Big Al the majority of his contract next year and instead of the year that we owe him 36million we will owe him say 3 or 4million? I have more qustions but if any one can answer those it will give me a better understanding because I am clueless on this matter? __________________ "Not only do you get a 1st down, but you get a whole new set of downs" John Madden

10-26-2009, 12:33 PM	#26
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? If I were to trade or cut players next year, it would be: Hall Betts Moss Griffin Thomas Samuels (retiring) Daniels Wynn Montgomery Heyer Yoder Suisham Landry __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

10-26-2009, 12:43 PM	#27
munny Camp Scrub Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 94	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? The only thing you really need to advance is the bonus. Otherwise you commit money unnecessarily. If the player just has normal salary, you can always cut them and pay no penalty, so we just would need to advance those bonuses. My list would be a bit different. I would simply have a short list of keepers and everyone else I won't shed a tear for -- if it meant a real, true, rebuilding team based on youth and draft picks. Keep: Offense: Cooley Defense: Mcintosh, Orakpo, Jarmon, Landry(I still have hope). That's it.

10-26-2009, 03:17 PM	#29
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Can we trade Portis and Haynesworth without getting nailed(in future years) during a capless year? I would most likely cut CP next year. We need a fresh start and new blood. I guess that's a decision for new management though (hopefully).

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