Desean Jackson

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-14-2009, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Desean is a playmaking monster and I'd love to have him on our team. However, I understand why we went with Thomas, Kelly and Davis. We had very small wideouts and needed a reliable, big target for Campbell.

Thank you. Hopefully this won't turn into another thread where some simpleton starts calling for someone's head because we didn't draft Jackson.

hooskins · 12-14-2009, 01:42 PM

Also who is to say he would have been as effective here in DC? Or maybe Kelly would have been a beast in Philly.

Schneed10 · 12-14-2009, 02:24 PM

There's also no guarantee he would have put up numbers like this as a Redskin. Jason Campbell has missed Moss deep about a million times this year, why would it be any different with Jackson?

Keep in mind, Jackson has McNabb throwing to him.

BigHairedAristocrat · 12-14-2009, 02:31 PM

Right now on ESPN980, Kevin Sheehan is going over all the teams that needed WRs that passed on Desean Jackson (some of whom drafted other WRs who havent done anything). Very interesting.

ashvirtually · 12-14-2009, 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

There's also no guarantee he would have put up numbers like this as a Redskin. Jason Campbell has missed Moss deep about a million times this year, why would it be any different with Jackson?

Keep in mind, Jackson has McNabb throwing to him.

And I would argue that's not all Jason's fault...

hooskins · 12-14-2009, 02:34 PM

As much as I tout Campbell, his deep ball is really inconsistent. I would actually put a lot of blame on him for that one. He has a great arm, but sometimes the control isn't there.

He has improved a bit the last couple games. That throw to Moss was pretty good. He underthrew it so Moss could make a play. Not sure if it was intentional, but worked well nonetheless.

Chico23231 · 12-14-2009, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Thank you. Hopefully this won't turn into another thread where some simpleton starts calling for someone's head because we didn't draft Jackson.

I wouldnt call for Vinny head just for that but for a gross mismangement of the draft in his tenure. Like I stated above. I just like to see a culture change of team building through the draft, not giving away picks, and yes more effective player picks (Jackson here). Carlos and Laron top ten pick? JC a first round pick...Ramsey a pick at all? Just instead of trying to build team through over paying free agents...try to build a team from the ground up, probably more cost effective, a stronger sense of team with guys coming in together, and greater depth at positions. One guy for sure who was a great pick, Orakpo, ole pat on the back Vinny for that one.

SBXVII · 12-14-2009, 02:45 PM

I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. This year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat.

Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.

SmootSmack · 12-14-2009, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. This year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat.

Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.

I guess you mean Hakeem Nicks? But they also have a lot of guys who have taken a few years to do anything at WR. And some (Santana's little bro) that still have done nothing. It happens all around the league. As hard as it is for many to believe, we are not the only front office to make poor decisions and we happen to make some good decisions as well

redsk1 · 12-14-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by SBXVII

I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. This year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat.

Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.

Some random answers:
Lack of picks/general misuse of the draft
less picks= % you'll land a "Jackson"
lack of a upper tier QB
no focus on building a solid offensive line thru the draft
Lack of front office plan-coaching staff and FO not on the same page

The best WR in the world couldn't produce in our 1st half 2009 offense. What would Thomas do in NY? Phili? Dallas? Pretty well imo.

Our offense is coming around and he's putting up some decent #'s.

dmek25 · 12-14-2009, 04:08 PM

i laugh every time i hear people bring up wide receivers size. the steelers won with Ward, Randle- El, and now with Holmes. all are 6 footers. if you can play, you can play. screw the 6'5" mix, and Mitchell. they couldn't even get on the field with the skins

Beemnseven · 12-14-2009, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I wouldnt call for Vinny head just for that but for a gross mismangement of the draft in his tenure. Like I stated above. I just like to see a culture change of team building through the draft, not giving away picks, and yes more effective player picks (Jackson here). Carlos and Laron top ten pick? JC a first round pick...Ramsey a pick at all? Just instead of trying to build team through over paying free agents...try to build a team from the ground up, probably more cost effective, a stronger sense of team with guys coming in together, and greater depth at positions. One guy for sure who was a great pick, Orakpo, ole pat on the back Vinny for that one.

Orakpo was a good pick, but it wasn't necessarily a brilliant move that nobody saw coming. Chris Horton might have been one of those very rare, brilliant moves by Vinny.

1st round picks are a funny thing -- if they turn out to be great, you say, well of course, they were taken in the first round, they're supposed to be great. So in that sense, the general manager can't really take much credit for it. But if you miss on a 1st rounder, the general manager gets the blame for selecting a first round bust.

Ask Charley Casserly about 1st round busts -- he took six in a row from 1991-1996.

freddyg12 · 12-14-2009, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Orakpo was a good pick, but it wasn't necessarily a brilliant move that nobody saw coming. Chris Horton might have been one of those very rare, brilliant moves by Vinny.

1st round picks are a funny thing -- if they turn out to be great, you say, well of course, they were taken in the first round, they're supposed to be great. So in that sense, the general manager can't really take much credit for it. But if you miss on a 1st rounder, the general manager gets the blame for selecting a first round bust.

Ask Charley Casserly about 1st round busts -- he took six in a row from 1991-1996.

I remember Casserly saying that if you asked any GM at the time what they thought of Desmond Howard in 1992 they would've all taken him in the top 10.

Good point about 1st round picks. GMs have to get credit for not only selecting a good player but also a good fit for their team.

JLee9718 · 12-14-2009, 04:54 PM

I like Desean a lot. I don't understand why Moss doesn't get open the way Desean does.

joethiesmanfan · 12-14-2009, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Chico23231

I wouldnt call for Vinny head just for that but for a gross mismangement of the draft in his tenure. Like I stated above. I just like to see a culture change of team building through the draft, not giving away picks, and yes more effective player picks (Jackson here). Carlos and Laron top ten pick? JC a first round pick...Ramsey a pick at all? Just instead of trying to build team through over paying free agents...try to build a team from the ground up, probably more cost effective, a stronger sense of team with guys coming in together, and greater depth at positions. One guy for sure who was a great pick, Orakpo, ole pat on the back Vinny for that one.

The draft by nature is hit or miss. That's why we should be careful wanting to trade warriors for question marks. Nothing is guaranteed in the draft. Look at the Giants, their GM did not address linebacker. He picked another wide recieiver Hakeem Nicks in the 1st round when he already had good young WRs. Manningham, Smith, Hixon, etc. If that was Vinny we would be up in arms. It's like an album, you don't look at one track, you look at the body of work. Im giving Vinny a little credit, he has been making mostly consensus picks. Landry and Rogers those are not maverick picks. So-called conventional wisdom

12-14-2009, 01:42 PM	#17
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Desean Jackson Also who is to say he would have been as effective here in DC? Or maybe Kelly would have been a beast in Philly. __________________ Vacancy

12-14-2009, 02:24 PM	#18
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,426	Re: Desean Jackson There's also no guarantee he would have put up numbers like this as a Redskin. Jason Campbell has missed Moss deep about a million times this year, why would it be any different with Jackson? Keep in mind, Jackson has McNabb throwing to him. __________________ God made certain people to play football. He was one of them.

12-14-2009, 02:31 PM	#19
BigHairedAristocrat Playmaker Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 4,712	Re: Desean Jackson Right now on ESPN980, Kevin Sheehan is going over all the teams that needed WRs that passed on Desean Jackson (some of whom drafted other WRs who havent done anything). Very interesting. __________________ Dolphins get good press for saving drowning humans.But we only hear about the swimmers theyve pushed ashore.You know who we havent heard from: all the people theyve pushed out to sea.Dolphins dont know what theyre doing-they just like pushing things.

12-14-2009, 02:34 PM	#21
hooskins Most Interesting Man in the World Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Chantilly, VA Age: 37 Posts: 8,606	Re: Desean Jackson As much as I tout Campbell, his deep ball is really inconsistent. I would actually put a lot of blame on him for that one. He has a great arm, but sometimes the control isn't there. He has improved a bit the last couple games. That throw to Moss was pretty good. He underthrew it so Moss could make a play. Not sure if it was intentional, but worked well nonetheless. __________________ Vacancy

12-14-2009, 02:45 PM	#23
SBXVII Franchise Player Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Virginia Posts: 7,766	Re: Desean Jackson I just want to know what our scouting department does not do that other scouting departments are doing? Not that I don't like Thomas and kelly, I do, but they were listed as being the top two WR's of the batch, not one WR had been picked, we come along and pick the only two WR's that need a lot of work? Jackson comes into the league and lights it up. This year the Giants picked two WR's and they are lighting it up somewhat. Kelly sees one ball a game. Thomas was close to that but recently has been doing better. Why do these things always happen to us? We finally pick up a good pick in Orakpo and Jarmin. It just seems our talent scouts are not nearly as good as other teams.

12-14-2009, 04:08 PM	#26
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Desean Jackson i laugh every time i hear people bring up wide receivers size. the steelers won with Ward, Randle- El, and now with Holmes. all are 6 footers. if you can play, you can play. screw the 6'5" mix, and Mitchell. they couldn't even get on the field with the skins __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

12-14-2009, 04:54 PM	#29
JLee9718 Impact Rookie Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 573	Re: Desean Jackson I like Desean a lot. I don't understand why Moss doesn't get open the way Desean does.

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