Global Warming? My A$$ Its Cold Outside

[saden1]

This is too counterintuitive for some folks...sorta like when riding a bike you push with your left hand if you want to go right.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

This is too counterintuitive for some folks...sorta like when riding a bike you push with your left hand if you want to go right.

Well you can always pull with your right hand to turn right and stop using words I have to look up in the dictionary.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well you can always pull with your right hand to turn right and stop using words I have to look up in the dictionary.

Try doing a figure eight on your bike by pulling on the bars.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

Try doing a figure eight on your bike by pulling on the bars.

Should I try that with my 3 yr old in the back seat or try it on my own first? Saden I hope you had a great christmas and a happy New year.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Should I try that with my 3 yr old in the back seat or try it on my own first? Saden I hope you had a great christmas and a happy New year.

LOL...I wouldn't try it with your kid on the bike. I hear the best place to try it is at busy intersection but that doesn't sound safe to me.

I did enjoy the holidays, I spent it in the frigid cold of the D.C. area with my fiancé and her family. They had a feast in my honor and I met most of her immediate family members.

I hope you had a good christmas and new year too.

[hooskins]

Extreme temperatures and extreme changes, I have know that for years. And I never remembering anyone bringing just to "cover their asses".

Its just been stated. But hey, ignorance is bliss. Right?



But either way, it is hella cold outside. That spike to 40 degrees we had up here, with the rain, got rid of all the snow and left those nasty black mounds of snow. Thats pretty much what I hate about snow, the leftovers.

[hooskins]

There are more from NASA, other ind. science orgs, etc. Its fact the average temperature is going up over time. There is correlation.

[KLHJ2]

Firstdown, you know that I am in between on several thing regarding politics and such. I takes sides on the views that I believe are truth rather than taking any one particular side.

I believe that there are some legitimate concerns with global warming. First you have to get past the bullshit name that they gave it "Global Warming". A more appropriate name would have been "Global De-Insulation". First off, the word "cold" is a relative term. There are only varying degrees of heat. The word "cold " comes into play when the degree of heat is lesser than what we find comfortable.

To truly understand Global warming you have to understand what the ozone layer truly is. In simple terms it is the layer of insulation in the atmosphere. Think of it as the insulation in your attic. Without proper insulation in your attic, your house cannot retain the cool air upstairs, therefore it gets too hot. In the winter time it cannot retain the heat, therefore your house gets too cold. The extreme differences between hot and cold during the different seasons are in relation to one another. Just because the accepted term is global "Warming" do not take it being "Cold" as a direct opposite of that at face value.

I hope that I just made sense.

[BringBackJoeT]

Originally Posted by Angry

Firstdown, you know that I am in between on several thing regarding politics and such. I takes sides on the views that I believe are truth rather than taking any one particular side.

I believe that there are some legitimate concerns with global warming. First you have to get past the bullshit name that they gave it "Global Warming". A more appropriate name would have been "Global De-Insulation". First off, the word "cold" is a relative term. There are only varying degrees of heat. The word "cold " comes into play when the degree of heat is lesser than what we find comfortable.

To truly understand Global warming you have to understand what the ozone layer truly is. In simple terms it is the layer of insulation in the atmosphere. Think of it as the insulation in your attic. Without proper insulation in your attic, your house cannot retain the cool air upstairs, therefore it gets too hot. In the winter time it cannot retain the heat, therefore your house gets too cold. The extreme differences between hot and cold during the different seasons are in relation to one another. Just because the accepted term is global "Warming" do not take it being "Cold" as a direct opposite of that at face value.

I hope that I just made sense.

Well, maybe I still have some reading to do on this issue, but at least my current understanding is that referring to climatic developments as "global de-insulation" is inaccurate, and that referring to it as global "warming" is in fact the more appropriate label.

Scientists crediting the warming of the Earth to human activity describe it as follows. The sun radiates heat toward the Earth, and it is indeed the ozone layer in the atmosphere that prevents all of the heat being radiated from the sun from hitting the planet. For the heat that does reach the Earth, however, much of it is radiated back into the atmosphere toward space. However, the greenhouses gases in the atmosphere (carbon dioxide being a primary one) trap the heat being radiated back into space. These gases have existed in the atmosphere for millions of years, and they have effectively helped the planet maintain a temperature that has allowed life to form. But the inordinate amount of carbon dioxide being shot into the atmosphere by humans is intensifying the "trapping" character of the gases, which results in a level of warming that is higher that is generally experienced in natural climatic cycles.

So, basically, it is not a de-insulation, but rather an increased insulation.

That's at least how I've understood it. Feel free to enlighten me more.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by BringBackJoeT

Well, maybe I still have some reading to do on this issue, but at least my current understanding is that referring to climatic developments as "global de-insulation" is inaccurate, and that referring to it as global "warming" is in fact the more appropriate label.

Scientists crediting the warming of the Earth to human activity describe it as follows. The sun radiates heat toward the Earth, and it is indeed the ozone layer in the atmosphere that prevents all of the heat being radiated from the sun from hitting the planet. For the heat that does reach the Earth, however, much of it is radiated back into the atmosphere toward space. However, the greenhouses gases in the atmosphere (carbon dioxide being a primary one) trap the heat being radiated back into space. These gases have existed in the atmosphere for millions of years, and they have effectively helped the planet maintain a temperature that has allowed life to form. But the inordinate amount of carbon dioxide being shot into the atmosphere by humans is intensifying the "trapping" character of the gases, which results in a level of warming that is higher that is generally experienced in natural climatic cycles.

So, basically, it is not a de-insulation, but rather an increased insulation.

That's at least how I've understood it. Feel free to enlighten me more.

Sorry that it took me so long to get back. Your statements are true for the most part just incomplete. I probably could have picked a better word than De Insulation, but I was trying to keep it simple I am believe that it is hard to make someone understand that overinsulating something can cause a refrigeration type of effect. Being as under the influence as I was, it just seemed easier to explain as "deinsulating" rather than over insulating. I still believe that "Global Warming" is an incorrect term. then again it's a bunch of smart guys trying to keep it simple for the rest of us.

Colder Temperatures Increase Ozone Damage
Ozone depletion damage gets much worse when the stratosphere is very cold. This has been the case the past two years, causing extensive ozone depletion. This past winter, ozone depletion reached the most severe levels ever recorded over the Northern Hemisphere. Western United States ozone levels also continue to drop 3-4 percent per decade. Even if all of our efforts to stop harmful emissions are successful, the ozone layer is not expected to begin recovery until around 2020 at the earliest.
Global Warming Can Increase Ozone Depletion
Scientist's are concerned that continued global warming will accelerate ozone destruction and increase stratospheric ozone depletion. Ozone depletion gets worse when the stratosphere (where the ozone layer is), becomes colder. Because global warming traps heat in the troposphere, less heat reaches the stratosphere which will make it colder. Greenhouse gases act like a blanket for the troposphere and make the stratosphere colder. In other words, global warming can make ozone depletion much worse right when it is supposed to begin its recovery during the next century.

Global Warming and Ozone Depletion

[hooskins]

Look I dont really think that means we should start being hippies and live in trees lol. Its just fact and I dont know how anyone can legitimately dispute the core argument, without getting away from facts.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Look I dont really think that means we should start being hippies and live in trees lol. Its just fact and I dont know how anyone can legitimately dispute the core argument, without getting away from facts.

The problem is I'm still not sold on what is fact and what is not.
Controversial new climate change data: Is Earth's capacity to absorb CO₂ much greater than expected?

How did they come up with those charts you point to as fact? If they said Global Warming was just a trend and the earth warms and cools over time what happens to their funding (millions and millions of dollars). Remember follow the money. How much money has Mr Gore made of global warming? If it was such a crises why did most of them attendending the global thing last month take a private jet "remember they are so concerned". I'm just not sold yet.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

The problem is I'm still not sold on what is fact and what is not.
Controversial new climate change data: Is Earth's capacity to absorb CO₂ much greater than expected?

How did they come up with those charts you point to as fact? If they said Global Warming was just a trend and the earth warms and cools over time what happens to their funding (millions and millions of dollars). Remember follow the money. How much money has Mr Gore made of global warming? If it was such a crises why did most of them attendending the global thing last month take a private jet "remember they are so concerned". I'm just not sold yet.

Again you start generalizing, them them them. Seriously who is them? You make it seem like its an us vs them game. This is why I seriously hate the way people have become so freaking polarized we cant just step back and realize we are all humans and AMERICANS. Not sworn enemies. Geez. For the record, I dont give a crap about Gore and I know he is a sellout. Just like any other public figure. (Wow blows your mind huh? Of "them", aka me, calling out Gore? Oh no, it makes no sense!!!!).

How do they make those charts? Well if you take some time and read it says thermostats for the readings of the last 140 years. The measurements beyond that are using other techniques, tree rings, etc. That is why the range is greater in those measurements. Despite all that, there is still a trend which goes back several hundred years showing a consistent heating of our planet. Sure there are peaks and valleys(thoses are the small heatings and coolings you are taking about), but from the overall large picture there is a clear increase which is statistically significant.


How can you deny this lol?

[dmek25]

hoo, stop trying to cloud the facts with figures

[MTK]

Yup, pretty cold outside here, pretty much how a NY January always is. Glad we totally debunked global warming.